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90% of PVP happens at gates. THAT'S that problem.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#121 - 2012-08-04 23:39:04 UTC
I'm one of those players that safely get a ship through high sec with low security, yes. It's not exactly uncommon.

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Pipa Porto
#122 - 2012-08-04 23:49:50 UTC
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Lol. You don't get 'pummeled' by concord just for flying in high sec and you can indeed travel through those systems despite Navy aggro if you know how. Again, a little research and experimentation on your part will make you a more educated player.

It's plainly obvious from your first post here that you are unaware of some pretty simple game mechanics and that is my point entirely. Learn about what you are talking about before you start trying to claim facts.


Oh. You're one of THOSE players in EVE. Got it.


You mean one the people who bother to learn how the mechanics of the game they play actually work? Yeah, that's probably a pretty accurate assessment of Lady Spank.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#123 - 2012-08-04 23:54:19 UTC
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Lol. You don't get 'pummeled' by concord just for flying in high sec and you can indeed travel through those systems despite Navy aggro if you know how. Again, a little research and experimentation on your part will make you a more educated player.

It's plainly obvious from your first post here that you are unaware of some pretty simple game mechanics and that is my point entirely. Learn about what you are talking about before you start trying to claim facts.


Oh. You're one of THOSE players in EVE. Got it.


You must be one of those "MMO" refugees from World of Warcraft if you can make a stupid statement like that.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#124 - 2012-08-04 23:56:33 UTC
Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#125 - 2012-08-04 23:59:10 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.


Says the TEST person, the scourge of blob warfare. :p

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Samurai Pumpkin
The Tebo Corp
#126 - 2012-08-05 02:01:55 UTC
Ballsy post, I LOVE it.

Best post I've read in a while.
Jim Roebuck
State War Academy
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-08-05 02:05:47 UTC
Delicious PvP complaining tears.

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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#128 - 2012-08-05 03:47:26 UTC
Quote:
you turds


Made me lol.

I agree. The whole idea of gate camping doesn't really feel like Eve. Concord Gate camps, players shouldn't.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2012-08-05 04:24:14 UTC
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.



Nothing wrong with hunting. Nothing wrong with fishing at a gate either. They're very different past-times, but both can be rewarding.

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Amarra Mandalin
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#130 - 2012-08-05 04:59:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
My last (primary) PvP toon was near -10 at one point. I fought both on gates and off and in low-sec and null.

Lazy that I am, I sold him when I decide to become a good girl and go legit (aka wars). Guess where most the fighting occurs? On gates and at stations (games, usually).


Suggestion to the OP: Try it all, see what fits.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#131 - 2012-08-05 05:02:50 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.


Oh no TEST called us cowards!

How's the Fountain renting coming along?
Amarra Mandalin
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#132 - 2012-08-05 05:06:36 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.


Oh no TEST called us cowards!

How's the Fountain renting coming along?


*waves hand* Is there a discount for ex-BDEAL members that undocked?
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#133 - 2012-08-05 05:29:40 UTC
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
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Fully agree.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#134 - 2012-08-05 06:57:37 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.


Oh no TEST called us cowards!

How's the Fountain renting coming along?

TEST is renting out Fountain?

I thought Delve was going to be the place filled with renters. Or new alliances. Will they camp the gates?

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flakeys
Doomheim
#135 - 2012-08-05 07:02:21 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.


Tell us more about these cowards , i'm sure we can all learn from your 3 solo kills.Teach us how to not fear the rifter and pod o wise one.We all wanna be just like you.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-08-05 08:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Cede Forster
Alpheias wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.


Says the TEST person, the scourge of blob warfare. :p


So blob = gatecamp? That is a bit of a stretch.

and also on the subject, there is no such thing as a blob, it simply means that you got outnumbered which sucks of course for you but it was your choice / inability to bring more ships, not your opponents


FC: Everybody scatter except wing 1, you stay behind and get killed so we can claim they just won because they were a blob <-- this?
Boudicca Arbosa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2012-08-05 11:17:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Boudicca Arbosa
Pipa Porto wrote:
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Lol. You don't get 'pummeled' by concord just for flying in high sec and you can indeed travel through those systems despite Navy aggro if you know how. Again, a little research and experimentation on your part will make you a more educated player.

It's plainly obvious from your first post here that you are unaware of some pretty simple game mechanics and that is my point entirely. Learn about what you are talking about before you start trying to claim facts.


Oh. You're one of THOSE players in EVE. Got it.


You mean one the people who bother to learn how the mechanics of the game they play actually work? Yeah, that's probably a pretty accurate assessment of Lady Spank.


I understand the mechanics. If I'm not playing the game, I'm reading about it almost 8 hours a day at work. I've taken my education in this game very seriously as I really enjoy it. But, this has nothing to do with security status or hisec space, does it? Lady Spank threw out a red herring. People usually do that when they either don't have anything real to say, or are just trying to nudge the conversation into a position where they have a better stance. This thread has received plenty of "likes" and I've received plenty of positive feedback here and in-game about this topic. If you're being an ass in this thread, it's probably because you're one of the pussies eating Cheetohs and watching Netflix waiting for someone in TS to tell you "SHUTTLE JUST JUMPED!"

My bad for wanting EVE PVP to be more than just sitting at gates. Silly me. What was I thinking!

Lady Spank wrote:
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.


You have no problem with blobbing the crap out of things so I fail to see how you can complain about '90% of PVP being on gates' (It isn't and you are completely ignorant of the facts). Get a grip and learn to be competent.






Where did I say that I had no issue with blobbing? I really don't like blobbing. It's no different than gatecamping. Low/Nullsec roams in a large fleet, while fun, is actually kinda lame unless you're on a deployment of importance (destroying a POS or defending space).

I guess it just happens, although not very often it seems. I've yet to run into a blob. Gatecamps I run into every day. Here's the real pathetic part. I know that I can rat in null and absolutely not have my butthole puckered because people don't hunt looking for quick 1v1 or small gang PVP. Oh sure, they're IN Null....just sitting at a gate. THAT, to me, is a problem. CCP thinks so too...which is why the change is coming.

My original point in this thread was you can't have your cake and eat it too. You want low and nullsec space to be more populated (the systems I'm in are populated, but that's not true for all of them), then you have to get people over their fear of gatecamps (which happen....a lot). I'm sure CCP will make low/null more rewarding because that's an obvious issue as well. I agree that the risk vs. reward is a little skewed. I live in low right now and I'm no more "richer" for the experience. But gatecamping has to be curtailed. There's NO risk and nothing BUT reward.

If you want ezmode PVP, I suggest going somewhere else or finding something else to play. No matter how you cut it, gatecamping is ******* lame and a pussy ass form of PVP.

Man up, "pirates". You pussies.

As an aside, I fell victim to a gatecamp Thursday night. 4 Tech 2 ships vs. lonely old me in a Hurricane. Didn't have a shot. Not even a fighting chance. If you remove challenge from something, it immediately grows stale. Now, 4 people isn't that big of a gang, but they were sitting there for almost 6 hours. C'mon. There's got to be some alternative for PVP. Lost that ship, set me back quite a ways. Couldn't get anywhere that had a trade hub due to sec status. Real lame jump. Sucked it up though. The last pirate that gatecamped me was 2v1'd on a gate and lost his Cyn. But I sought him out. I didn't SIT at a gate and wait. The way I see it, Lady Spank, is its you older players that have devolved PVP in this game. I'm a month old and I already have more balls than you or any old "pro" that sits and stares at their screen at a gate waiting for a tech 1 frigate to bounce through. Yup, I'm calling you out.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2012-08-05 11:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Lady Spank wrote:
I'm one of those players that safely get a ship through high sec with low security, yes. It's not exactly uncommon.

Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
Can't avoid all of them. Having only a -3.1 can make your life hell. Earlier I had to make some jumps to get a ship contracted to me as I couldn't go into 7's.

In about 1-2 hours I will probably be in a similar situation as Boudicca as my main needs a new armorcane and can't enter high-sec without getting shot.

So far my plan is to haul it into low-sec with my (positive sec status) Orca alt but that's obviously pretty risky and if there is a camp I might have to wait for a few hours.

So if you have a suggestion how I can pick up the Hurricane with my main and make it safely back to low-sec I would be very interested.

edit: the only way that i can think of is to have an alt web my main at each gate to make the cane warp before the police shows up and hope to god that no player gets a point on the ship (which seems very cumbersome and risky).

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Boudicca Arbosa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2012-08-05 11:38:34 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I'm one of those players that safely get a ship through high sec with low security, yes. It's not exactly uncommon.

Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
Can't avoid all of them. Having only a -3.1 can make your life hell. Earlier I had to make some jumps to get a ship contracted to me as I couldn't go into 7's.

In about 1-2 hours I will probably be in a similar situation as Boudicca as my main needs a new armorcane and can't enter high-sec without getting shot.

So far my plan is to haul it into low-sec with my (positive sec status) Orca alt but that's obviously pretty risky and if there is a camp I might have to wait for a few hours.

So if you have a suggestions how I can pick up the Hurricane with my main and make it safely back to low-sec I would be very interested.


I ended up having a corp member buy and contract me out a fully fit PVE 'cane. If you want, though, I'm going to 0.0 this morning to rat for sec status. I think I grinded for 4 hours yesterday and only moved up a point. From -3.1 to 3.0....which afforded me nothing because I don't think the next level hits until -2.4. Hah.

Hate the idea of being disciplined for PVP but I understand how it's necessary. I lost my sec status defending my home. And here I'm the one getting punished! Hah. Anyway, add me and we'll go to 0.0 together this morning if you want.
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#140 - 2012-08-05 12:10:51 UTC
The problem is not so much the players, it's the game design. Sadly, fighting on gates is the most effective and fastest way to get kills, so you find all players there obviously. I had this mindset to get "good pvp" earlier as well, but after half a year of pirating in lowsec I just realized that it is a huge waste of time, so I just used my smartbomb BS and instalocking Mach on sniperspots until I got bored of it.

Eve just looks like it was a space game but lacks everything that lets you feel like you would actually travel through space. It is just moving from one fixed point to another, those fixed points are belts, stations, gates and another objects that you warp to. In between there is nothing and this is the problem.

If you would actually need to travel between those fixed points at varios speeds and if you had the ability to search and intercept ships mid- travel, then we would have more exciting and credible space combat. Also, the ability to warp away after couple of seconds of picking up speed kills various forms of PvP. It would be better if it would take more time to accelerate and the warp disrupting ability would be greatly reduced, this way ships would need to maneuver around way more and one would get more possibilities to intercept ships on other locations than just gates.

But then again this would mean a total redesign of the game so it's not gonna happen. I personally hope that some day there will be another space game that gets the space combat thing better than Eve.