EVE General Discussion

How so?

AFK Cloaker never harmed anyone.

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No, we do not.


Did I not read this post before? Can't really say, but, I imagine I did!

I like that idea.

Erm.. every time a miner salts the earth with tears after being ganked, the response is 'spam D-scan for incoming hostiles, or don't cry about losing your ship'. Now its different for combat ships? While I do not claim to know the cures for making 0.0 a better place for play, that particular argument I don't see standing well. /shrug

I HATE when people do this, and by this I mean complain about AFK cloaking. It makes null sec people look like high sec whiney cry cry carebears and I just hate it.

AFK cloaking (which I dislike but is a part of the game) is a counter to upgraded systems, the counter to afk cloaking is to fit a cloak, pick one of the HUNDREDS of unclaimed null sec system (teeming with the anomalies, plexes and, roids, and profession sites people don't do because they have upgraded systems) and go do them. I call it "ass displacement" because you displace said ass from easily deniable upgraded system to less easily deniable non-upgraded system, and the isk keeps flowing

Easy as that.

And stopped right there.

Isn't removing local to never see another one of these threads good enough guys??

I really dislike the term 'AFK cloaker' as it presumes a person knows whether or not another player who is cloaking is also AFK. Since there is really no way to tell, I prefer to just use the term 'cloaker.'

"AFK cloaking is created and perpetuated by local. As long as local remains as an intel tool, AFK cloaking must remain as the only counter to that mechanic"

This is the best argument for perpetual cloaking that exists. I agree that local is overpowered. It is an instantaneous intelligence tool that is never wrong and allows someone to flee at the merest sight of danger.

First, we really need to define what the purpose of cloaking is. Limited to this context, it is a harassment tool. Thus defined, we need to ask, is that really what it should be used for?

While the argument for perpetual cloaking is the existance of Local, it logically follows that if Local is removed, so too must cloaking also change. The next question would be, if Local is removed, what then is the purpose of cloaking?

Cloaking now is a harassment tool. If Local is removed, I would like cloaking become an ambush tool. However, as with the potential for ambushes, there is the potential for escape. Cloakers would have to be detectable in some fashion. This would mean that while cloakers would have greatly increased chance of catching vulerable ships, new tools would also need to be developed to allow potential victims the chance to escape.

This would make for a more dynamic and exciting game play. Cloakers stop becoming street thugs, handing around the local corner, harassing the locals, and instead become the hunters, ambushing the unwary, while keeping their potential victims vigiant.

As an added benefit, it would encourage all parties to actually *play* the game, rather than log on and go to the movies (on the cloakers side) or immediately retreat to safe location and outwait the predator.