Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I gotta say over half of what you say is null and void of any reasoning or sense in reply to my original post for many reasons.

I also see quite a bit of QQing from several people over the "F2P" aspect, when I've pointed out and showed that it WOULD NOT ruin EVE in anyway shape or form.

Until someone can rightfully explain intelligently and give good solid reasons of why -MY- Idea and setup wouldnt work, using examples from my idea, and implimenting them into the game in situations. Then I'll listen.

filling a paragraph of non legit things, including stuff that is null and void, isnt an argument or counter.

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That being said, a few reasons why your counter is not legit,

1) Its not entirely F2P, like the games on the list (which I've played nearly all of them, I'm no noob to F2P games myself, which is why all in all I dislike them) Are WoW knock offs, but EVE isnt, therefore my idea is different than normal F2P games.

2) I'm taking into account players who dont have weeks to farm a PLEX, and does not have the $ required to pay for a few months to get the ship/skills, knowledge to farm a PLEX in a few days.

3) Not everyone wants to go into low sec/null sec or join a null sec alliance, therefore would have to spend a few weeks, etc. to farm a PLEX in high sec, unless they were willing to be forced to do certain things.

4) Just... re read my original post until it sinks in.

Not only what Spr09 said. But you seem to ignore the continuation of Eve. F2P would provide more players but nothing for Eve's long term player mechanics.
Why would anyone play it for free and then turn it into a subscription? All the while CCP is stuck with more server costs and such without any added revenue.

Eve is fine the way it is. Hell, you intentionally 'null and voided' my arguments, because you yourself are willfully ignorant.
Let me point it out again:
CCP is already creating an easier entry into the game than ever before.
1) No learning skills
2) Actual faster learning for players
3) The new beginner ships give you a broad idea of what your faction does
4) A tutorial that is actually working (or is expected to work)
5) ISK isn't that hard to come by. You are just to stupid to read up on all the ISK faucets this game has already. If you really want the F2P use the current PLEX system. Not whine about making it your way.
You are an insignificant minority compared to the staff that CCP employes and player base that already agrees with the current mechanic.
6) If you still ahte it: leave. (I won't ask for your stuff since it seems it won't be much.)

Edit: There is already a trial account available for 2 weeks AND the buddy program for cheaper pricing. What more do you want?
Oh you want titans for free. (You eventually will bring that up too) Gotcha.

Lastly, you are intentionally requesting a change to the future of Eve as it stands. While it could attract new players, Eve's level of service and expansions could dwindle to nearly nothing. Why would the current subscriber base actually pay if they knew that suddenly they do not have to OR that because of an influx of non-suscribers the quality of future improvements would go down.
I myself don't see a vast horde of non-suscribers being benefitial. Since their income would be occasionally at best. So what would I expect from such a future? Not the current Eve, that is for sure.

I should realize that arguing on forums about bad ideas is hilariously pointless.

But to indulge you. Over lunch I realized the abuse potential. Imagine suddenly not needing active accounts. Only limited accounts, as you said.

1) A even better / free army of standbye suicide accounts. Yes we have them already, but your idea would breed them exponentially. Imagine you could have an unlimted number of accounts all flying battleships and their gear........ no imagine the grief fest this could cause.

2) Similarly, mass botting. Botters would not need actual active accounts but rather can have free accounts too. Even better ISK faucets.

3) CCP is a business. Your idea, while it might attract some people, might not attract the long term players this game needs. The very mechanic of being able to lose things (risk versus reward) would still be a significant barrier: 'Why should I pay to advance and get blown up?' People might simply prefer their free stuff. CCP is still stuck managing them. The biggest hurdle people have to get over is the 'grind to win' is not applicable to Eve. So waiting seems to be the biggest gripe about this game anyways.

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4) YOu would essentially destroy the character bazar and limit it to only capital ships.

Actually having done a general and quick math equation: the current 2 week trial account works as intended. With the current system players, if they pay attention (no guarantees there) and skill accordingly, can actually attain your wanted 'batleship' only aspect. It would be players only using the basic Tech 1 gear, but it is possible to achieve battleships and fly them.

Thank you for reinventing CCP's wheel. Except yours is a triangle, and break apart upon closer inspection.

this, its the viscious cycle a game like wot is in. You know when when they need the cash, its when "op" tanks like the type 59's go on sale. Solo not necessailry an op gold tank, its when they flood the server and you get well skilled wolfpacks of them they truly shine. So they are rare sales now. I got mine last offering, was like a 2 day window for it (I jsut really hate the lowe tbh, type 59 makes less but is waaay more fun ot run)


To the original poster, op your diea has a few issues. Even a limited indef trial account is a potent tool. Rifters would blot out the sun. You can do alot of things on a trial account. 14 days even. I took advantage of ccps' generous offer of 60 day trials way back. You can work alot of free trial skill only magic in 60 days.

I have a few of alts that all I have to do is activate the account, plug in trial restrcited skills and have a vairty of alts in record time. All the key bulky non trial skills learned to 4 or 5 already. PLug in non train restricted skills and run with it fast as hell.

I know I might get banned, but I have to say it: you are an idiot. You want what you want because its your wish / idea. You obviously are a genius, so what ever anyone else says must be ignorance and lies. That is how you come over.

Your commentary to number 1 essentially proves this: How do you enforce 'No-Dual-boxing'? People already do it constantly. How would you make it a '1 per person' account? If they do not have to pay for it, the only thing they would really need is a simple to attain and create as many as there are water molecules on this planet. So how would you enforce 'one per person'?
By the honor system? Scout honor? Pinky swear honor?

Also, you ignored that part and raged merrily: basic math shows that you can already race to a battleship in the trial period. Obviously you would only end up with basic guns and armor, but that is essentially what you want.
What we differ about is that you want those accounts to be accessible indefinitely. And I am with CCP: Why should we cover their tab?

The other points are essentially the same: how do you prevent dual boxing if botters are already existing?


And lastly, what you seem to ignore, most MMOs that turn into free-2-play effectively admit free-2-fail. Why would any successful MMO go from a paid subscription design except when admitting the subscriber base fell drastically. Most turn their subscriptions into F2P because they are trying to retain some dignity / credibility. Noone in the MMO industry wants to admit they just wasted millions and years designing an MMO that is not profitable.

And as a few people already pointed out: making the game free would deter people.


Yes I understand this is your idea. But you have to realize your idea would ruin CCP. But I doubt you will understand this point because you obviously are rather hardcore into your idea. So good luck thinking this is a great idea. But CCP will never do this unless Eve is actually dying.

GUYS, cumon, we have a simple solution here.

Make a F2P account that can only access Tech 1 Frigates and Tech 1 Modules (limited items too i.e no cloaks or cyno), and can't directly receive any isk from any other players in game (obviously there would be some ways around it).
EDIT: Also the skill queue remains inactive, you have to play with the skills you already have.
These accounts would have NO industrial capabilities, and their only worth would be to keep players around possibly enjoying lowsec and 0.0 combat and some mission running at best.
EDIT: Also for your account to enter this state, it will need to have been a paid subscription at some point in its life (not trial). This way it stops people from making an infinitie number of accounts, and will require some commitment from players.

Sure, theoretically you could run missions or ratting and possibly earn enough isk to pay for a plex, but consider the raw amount of game time you would have to put in running in T1 frigates with T1 modules. Not only that, but if they were given the oppurtunity to go out into PVP areas to 'maybe' get a bigger cut of isk, imagine the amount of players that would be out there to hunt.

Also I would even go as far to say as to make all accounts enter this state when their subscription runs dry. This way they have an oppurtunity to come back to the game whenever they please and be given a tiny taste of the glory that is EVE. Eventually every player will renew their account, as nobody wants to be stuck in a T1 frigate forever.


Now before someone says "well I could just get 50 free accounts and run missions with all 50 of them and get free isk".
Let's take a step back and seriously considering...who the **** is going to be able to run enough accounts (consider micromanaging as they can't indy, they have to actively combat) to actually make "SOME" profit.
And if you are going to say, "well someone could just run a million scouts and leave them off gates everywhere". Again a rediculous statement for simple reasons...who in their right mind would actively run a wide array of accounts just to scout?



TL;DR: Make F2P accounts so monetarily worthless that they can't ever be "properly" used to change anything in the game. They would essentially be super limited accounts (T1 frigates with a few T1 combat mods) that can only give players a taste of what EVE has to offer. The accounts will need to have been on paid subscription at some point to enter this state preventing a million throwaway accounts from popping up.
This will give players a reason to stay with the game, and keep them interested in EVE without actually giving them any means to make a difference in the game itself.

TL:DR... No.

I think the point that it would alienate the majority of the playerbase is reason enough not to do it. Ban thread. Gas OP.

So your ship flying through space on a limited play account takes less server resources than my imaginary officer pimped CNR?

Like others have said, 50 Cents a month if you can't handle paying a fee of $15 in one go then I think that people should train "Budgeting" to 5 before playing eve.