Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Is this you?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=43276

I'm sure you don't.

Like I said, lots of "lets nerf local" threads filled with posters with similar killboards to yours telling everyone how pvp works and how nerfing local will improve pvp. I think allot of pvpers just get tired of explaining how local helps people find good fights, avoid blobs, and generally leads to more pvp. But whatever carry on.

Lets keep away from personal attacks and actually talk about the thread, your attempts to derail the OP by selecting particular aspects of Nikk's threads are an obvious and childish way of changing the subject.

You disagree and you use WH's as an example of how no local decreases PVP. But you are just taking one aspect of WH's and applying the answer you want to hear as a conclusion. When I look at the data I see something completely different, WH's have major barriers to PVP that I will list.

- No local means that PVP engagements take dedicated effort to find targets. (your only point)
- Nonstatic/collapsing entries into systems prevents quick reinforcements
- Lack of stations to provide medical clones for quick reshipping
- Extreme difficulty of logistics to replace lost ships quickly
- Lack of population due to the difficulties of living in a WH
- Lack of targets due to corps not being online (many corps only play during one TZ, this means that you may find an inhabitated WH but all the natives are offline)
- No cyno fields to allow for hotdrops

There are probably more but thats all I could think of off the top of my head. A very focused argument like yours fails as soon as all the other factors are considered; and when you realize that you cannot win, you resort to personal attacks in an attempt to discredit. In reviewing Nikk's recent posts he seems to have a very good and clear view of the matters pertaining to local intel and cloaking. He is also working (and has purposed many good ideas) on a good agreeable solution to the issues that people have with AFK Cloaking and Local Chat Intel.

Eve is a game filled with alts, and people don't want to use there mains to post on the forums because of reasons that only they can explain. I do this myself (yes, big surprise, this is a forum alt) because I want to play Eve in peace. Eve players are vindictive little ***** and will do anything to grief someone (you have proven such with your posts attacking Nikk).

Make a valid argument to state why the OP is a bad idea and when someone counters you, you use actual information to counter the argument, not attack the person. This isn't an election, we are not running for office, we can act like adults here. Please stay constuctive and state your case, if you do a good job people will support you.

Have a nice day,

Gerrick

A man likes this.

Drastically less pvp per person. so this is taken into account. The biggest difference is no local. And most people dont like it. so why force it on the rest of eve?
Oh the other areas of space people never sleep or work?? Nice difference between wormholes and other places.
This promotes pvp as much as it hurts. People who don't pvp may not understand that. But constant hotdrops is not something that really promotes pvp.

So after going through your quibbling points the main reason we don't have pvp in wormholes is the no local.



You too.

This alt actually has decent combat experience.

I am the guy flying that logi keeping the other ships alive.
I am the guy in a cloaked scout warning and advising my fleet on enemy presence.
I am the support guy.

It says more about the limits to your own experience that you seem to assume PvP cannot exist without more kill mails and losses.

I will stop you right there, Nikk makes some very good points, you also seemed to ignore one of the points of my post in order to make it so you don't sound completely ignorant. He flies logistics and covops scouts. I can imagine that his scanning skills are pretty decent too. In my experience people who are scouts and logi have a greater understanding of the basics of pvp and the process of engagement than most. As scouts they literately are the ones finding the enemy fleets and tracking them, and as logi they have to understand the flow of combat to anticipate what will be coming next. Strange how both of these roles if done properly will never produce Killmails for that specific pilot.

So your FACT is just a poorly based assumption. So with that established I will consider your remarks a personal attack, with a poorly masked excuse as to why you cannot think outside the realm of your own understanding.

Looking at your own killboard, all I can see is FW ganks with laughably one sided engagements, but I will commend you for at least living in lowsec. I don't see how your experience even gives you the perspective required to judge how Sov local should operate.

I support the OP because as a scout myself I think it'll bring a good deal more difficulty to the scouting proffession and actually require anyone in the scouting role to think, rather than park and look at local. Scouting needs to be better than it is now, and the OP is something that would make this happen.

I don't agree with what I underlined and bolded in your comment..

Ah I see at first you didn't want to discuss what combat experience you had. Nor did you want to post with your main. You just wanted us to believe that some other character had all this pvp experience. Ok right not the first.

But now all of a sudden you are the logi pilot and you have "decent combat experience" with this character. Except when we look at your killboard we see you never lost a ship with a remote repper fit to it. Hmm.

I guess all your "combat experience" is being a cloaky scout for your carebear buddies.

The few months I spent in a wormhole made it plain to me that Local Chat is not the limit to how different that part of the game is.

The OP's idea may be workable, but I need clarification on details.

How does a covops or other scanning pilot locate the safe spots you described?