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Varlerian Ti'kihli
Fly With The Beer
#1 - 2011-10-02 05:04:50 UTC
Saisa New Eden. This IGS thread will be dedicated to mentioning important addresses, events, and dates of the CLC. If one is not able to attend a Q&A session, then you may post any questions regarding the CLC in here.


FAQ

1) What is the CLC?
• The CLC is a political activist movement that seeks to improve the State on various fronts (economic, scientific, etc) through publically addressing such issues and seeking to resolve them.

2) Who is part of the CLC?
• CLC members aren't necessarily defined by any one person. The biggest supporters of the movement are the Dyishi Enterprises corporation and the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive. Anyone can join, however.

3) How do I interact with the CLC?
• Simple. Join the FTL comms channel "The CLC" to become part of this movement!

4) How long will the CLC be?
• The CLC will be approximately a month long.


The campaign offically commenced on Saturday at 20:00 hours with the first public CLC convention. Dozens of prominent non-capsuleers and capsuleers attended to find out what it is all about.

The following is a copy of the speech Varlerian Ti'kihli delivered at the convention:
Varlerian Ti'kihli wrote:
Speech transcript of the first CLC convention in New Caldari at 20:45
Saisieni, hello, to all of you.

I would first like to thank you all for your attendance and recognition of this event. On behalf of the boardmembers of the CLC, I say thank you from the very depths of our hearts.

Now many of you are probably asking yourselves "What is the CLC and what is it's purpose?" Quite simply, we are a political activist movement seeking the benefit of our nation by addressing the problems that pervade it.

We are nothing drastic - we do not seek the overthrow of current State leadership nor do we wish to separate ourselves from the whole of the nation. Merely citizens trying to do our part.

'A group of State citizens with open minds and progressive thoughts' is how I like to describe it.

It brings quite the rush involving myself in State politics publically. My visits to the Federation in the past have influenced me well. My loyalty, however, will always be to the Caldari State.

Let us, those who proclaim themselves to be State loyalists and citizens, then be truthful about currently ongoing predicaments. Let us be truthful about our strengths and, perhaps more challenging, our weaknesses.

The time has long come to stop hiding behind our thick pride and rise to the occasion of improving ourselves, and our State.

In order for this to happen, of course, an addresment our strengths and weaknesses is required.

As some of you who have been following the IGS announcement may know, the CLC will be broken up into two phases. The details of the second phase will be announced at a later date.

This first phase will focus on trade connections with various entities, both inside and outside the State. It will focus on building the State economy and scientific progress, mostly.

Throughout the campaign, various Q&A's will be held where discussion can take place amongst State citizens and those outside State citizenship who wish to take part in the movement.

The FTL comms channel 'The CLC' will be the place where capsuleers may interact and discuss various issues and policies regarding the Caldari State.

I truly hope the best to come from the actions of the CLC.

I've observed passively for far too long our beloved State declining across various fronts. We've seemed to have tainted our ancestors' honor. We've forgotten what it means to be Caldari.

I am ashamed to be frank.

I will soon not be ashamed. The voices of our collective thoughts shall ring across the cluster and let known to others that we wish to be a better nation, a better State.

I extend my hand to those in the audience who wish to consider themselves part of this grand movement. Together, we shall secure a better future for our nation and our neighbors.

Rikaato all for your attendance. This concludes the first CLC convention.


Updates on the CLC will be posted periodically.

"Peace and prosperity through trade and tolerance!"

((A huge thanks to Kiruss Dasun for making the awesome banner. Also a thanks to Ken from the Backstage Forums for his neat Caldari State logo. And finally thanks to CCP for their lovely and fitting chronicle artwork used in the banner.))
John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#2 - 2011-10-07 11:32:53 UTC
This Campaign has Ishukone-Raata's full support. I hope that through this awareness on a political, economical, and scientific basis will increase. Ti'kihli-haan has earned alot of respect for pushing this campaign forward within the Liberal Community, looking to the future is something many of us have lost sight in.

Trade & cultural understanding can create a mutual respect for friend and foe alike.

"Peace and Prosperity through Trade and Tolerance!"

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Alain Octirant
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-10-09 22:11:08 UTC
Ah, the old wolf in sheep's clothing.

Nobody is fooled.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-09 23:02:57 UTC
Alain Octirant wrote:
Ah, the old wolf in sheep's clothing.

Nobody is fooled.


You're right, nobody is fooled by the wolf in sheep's clothing pointing at the other sheep and saying 'They're the wolves, not me!'

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Vladimir Plaxinov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-10 01:39:25 UTC
We've forgotten what it means to be Caldari? No, just you.

The State never prospered due to interactions with the ever pervasive elements of the Minmatar or heaven forbid the Federation, with the latter having a long history of attempts to oppress our way of life, even waging war with us to this day.

Liberals are the cancer killing the Caldari, with elements like Ishukone and Hyasyoda proving to be ever more of a drain on our self-made progress each passing hour. Needless to say that if internal elements are subverting advancement to such a degree, more ties with outside powers would only raise the cost of such mistakes.

Your group will accomplish little, but it does go to show the infection of State citizens by things like the hedonistic Gallente.

Patriotism prevails.

fuk da fed

413 snort crash erryday
Varlerian Ti'kihli
Fly With The Beer
#6 - 2011-10-10 07:06:47 UTC
Vladimir Plaxinov wrote:
We've forgotten what it means to be Caldari? No, just you.

The State never prospered due to interactions with the ever pervasive elements of the Minmatar or heaven forbid the Federation, with the latter having a long history of attempts to oppress our way of life, even waging war with us to this day.

Liberals are the cancer killing the Caldari, with elements like Ishukone and Hyasyoda proving to be ever more of a drain on our self-made progress each passing hour. Needless to say that if internal elements are subverting advancement to such a degree, more ties with outside powers would only raise the cost of such mistakes.

Your group will accomplish little, but it does go to show the infection of State citizens by things like the hedonistic Gallente.

Patriotism prevails.

fuk da fed

413 snort crash erryday


The State has yet to fully prosper due to commercial ties with the Republic and Federation because "Patriotic" Caldari like you refuse to have anything to do with them.

Last I checked, "Patriotic" elements of Caldari citizens such as yourself are the ones losing hundreds, possibly thousands of Caldari lives with senseless fighting and territorial claim wars between the Republic and the Federation.

Need I go on? You have been disillusioned and misled, quite simply. You, along with millions of other Caldari citizens, have heard the calling of the drums of war and followed it. You, my misguided fellow Statesman, are wrong.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2011-10-10 09:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Without liberals the Caldari state might still find itself in the economic turmoil that plagued it several years ago, for that Ishukone would never have concluded huge profitable deals with Tash Murkon.

Edit : nevermind, I might have confused this with Lai Dai and CBD.
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#8 - 2011-10-10 16:30:43 UTC
Varlerian Ti'kihli wrote:
The State has yet to fully prosper due to commercial ties with the Republic and Federation because "Patriotic" Caldari like you refuse to have anything to do with them.

We refuse to do business with the Federation because we refuse to be be bound, once again, to the whims of those who would steal from us and provide nothing in return. You subject yourselves to the laws of foreign powers, who will abuse your relationship through their laws. Do not forget you are the minority in the Federation and there the majority makes the laws, the laws will not be intentional to your benefit. The laws can however be intentional written to your detriment.

Varlerian Ti'kihli wrote:
Last I checked, "Patriotic" elements of Caldari citizens such as yourself are the ones losing hundreds, possibly thousands of Caldari lives with senseless fighting and territorial claim wars between the Republic and the Federation.

Said another way - "You should just give up on your investments in Placid & surrender Black Rise!"

Not as if this would benefit Ishukone and Hyasyoda in anyway?

Weakened KK, Wirykomi, and Lai Dai are to Ishukone's & Hyasyoda's benefit. A lose of investment and resources for the Patriot bloc to compete only strengthens your corporations, but weakens the State overall.

Sadly the relationship with the Republic is a causality of necessity on both sides. The Republic receives direct aid from the Federation and blocs the entry of many State corporations into the Republic market. The Republic discourages trade with those who do business with the Empire, Mandate, and Kingdom. To attempt to enter a hostile political market, we would have to give up on markets we have established. The business case is hard to close.

Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Varlerian Ti'kihli
Fly With The Beer
#9 - 2011-10-11 06:50:55 UTC
Dex Nederland wrote:
Varlerian Ti'kihli wrote:
The State has yet to fully prosper due to commercial ties with the Republic and Federation because "Patriotic" Caldari like you refuse to have anything to do with them.

We refuse to do business with the Federation because we refuse to be be bound, once again, to the whims of those who would steal from us and provide nothing in return. You subject yourselves to the laws of foreign powers, who will abuse your relationship through their laws. Do not forget you are the minority in the Federation and there the majority makes the laws, the laws will not be intentional to your benefit. The laws can however be intentional written to your detriment.


Overgeneralizing the commercial policies of other nations is quite absurd, Nederland-haan; break free from your misconceptions and take a moment to fully understand all possible options. Subjecting ourselves as a nation to the laws of foreign powers who may intend to abuse our relationship with them is certainly a possibility. If this is the case, however, we can simply move on to other potential trade partners or seek to reconcile our issues. Diplomacy can work miracles, sir.

Dex Nederland wrote:
Varlerian Ti'kihli wrote:
Last I checked, "Patriotic" elements of Caldari citizens such as yourself are the ones losing hundreds, possibly thousands of Caldari lives with senseless fighting and territorial claim wars between the Republic and the Federation.

Said another way - "You should just give up on your investments in Placid & surrender Black Rise!"

Not as if this would benefit Ishukone and Hyasyoda in anyway?

Weakened KK, Wirykomi, and Lai Dai are to Ishukone's & Hyasyoda's benefit. A lose of investment and resources for the Patriot bloc to compete only strengthens your corporations, but weakens the State overall.

Sadly the relationship with the Republic is a causality of necessity on both sides. The Republic receives direct aid from the Federation and blocs the entry of many State corporations into the Republic market. The Republic discourages trade with those who do business with the Empire, Mandate, and Kingdom. To attempt to enter a hostile political market, we would have to give up on markets we have established. The business case is hard to close.


Surely as a prominent businessman yourself you must understand the benefits and consequences of investments, no? There are great gains to be made and great losses to encounter. The loss of investments in Placid can be considered a negative consequence from which involved parties should learn from. Persisting to try and recapture noted systems only perpetuates the involved parties economic slump while getting countless State citizens' lives lost in the process. It is time to move on.

The Republic markets may be "hostile", but every market houses potential benefits. You will never know those benefits unless you attempt to break into said market. In addition, showing the Republic we are interested in performing peaceful commercial relations may aid in simmering down hostilities between the State and Republic - a much preferable option for us all, many of us should think.
Hamish Grayson
#10 - 2011-10-11 13:33:34 UTC
Orto didn't seem too concerned with the good of the minmatar people when he was using minmatar slaves on the Crielere project, or selling TCMCs to slavers to implant into slaves. He was not the humanitarian that you seem to think he was.


I also seem to recall that the Federation was a little upset at him for stealing the projects he'd promised to share with them.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#11 - 2011-10-11 13:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Sadik
For an outsider who has not been following the inner-state developments too closely, could someone please sum up the main positions and points of contestation of the "liberals" and the ... "conservatives"? Is that how they call themselves? ... within the State? Especially in as far as to what makes the liberals "liberal"?

I was able to glimpse some likely positions on that from this thread and a few others, but I feel like I'm missing out on the bigger picture to really understand the debate. (If this is too derailing for the thread, I'm happy to open a new topic.)

Thank you in advance for the effort.
Hamish Grayson
#12 - 2011-10-11 14:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Hamish Grayson
"Liberals, Patriots, and Practicals" are the names, given by the Gallente, to the three Caldari megcorporation alliances. The 'Liberals' are the alliance between Ishukone and Hyasyoda.

In the Gallente Federation the term 'liberal' is uded to describe someone who supports what they call social liberalism. Social liberalism is the belief that the Federal government should address economic and social issues such as unemployment, health care, and education while simultaneously expanding civil rights. Gallente liberals believe in these principles: human rights, free and fair elections and multiparty democracy, social justice, tolerance, social market economy, free trade, environmental sustainability and a strong sense of international solidarity.

The Ishukone and Hyasyoda bloc were given the name "Liberals" by the Gallente because Ishukone and Hyasyoda believe the best way to strengthen the State's economy is via Free trade. They push for the Chief Executive Panel to implement free trade policies because they believe in the economic concept of comparative advantage.

In economics, the law of comparative advantage says that two empires (or other kinds of parties, such as individuals or firms) will both gain from trade if, in the absence of trade, they have different relative costs for producing the same goods. Even if one empire is more efficient in the production of all goods (absolute advantage) than the other, both countries will still gain by trading with each other, as long as they have different relative efficiencies

For example, if, using machinery, a worker in the Caldari State can produce either units of Food or units of Clothing at 600 per hour, and a worker in the Federation can produce either 200 units of Food or 400 units of Clothing in an hour, each nation can gain from trade because their internal trade-offs between Food and Clothes are different. The Federattion has a comparative advantage in Clothing, so it finds it more efficient to produce Clothing and trade them to the State for units of Food . Without trade, the Federation's opportunity cost per unit of Food was 2 units of Clothing; by trading, its cost per Food can reduce to as low as 1 Clothing depending on how much trade occurs (since the State has a 1:1 trade-off). The State has a comparative advantage in Food, so it can gain in efficiency by moving some workers from Clothing-production to Food-production and trading some Food for Clothing. Without trade, the State's coost to make a unit of Clothing was 1 Food; by trading, its cost per Clothing unit can go as low as 1/2 Food unit depending on how much trade occurs.

Ishukone considers this smart business. They believe that Free Trade makes them more money. Because they share this one belief in common with the Gallente liberal movement, they were labeled 'Liberals' by the Gallenteans as a means of convenience.

However, lately the certain capsuleer groups loyal to the Federation have been attempting to attribute other characteristics of Gallentean liberals to Ishukone and Hyasyoda. However, anyone who ever actually lived in the State would know that neither Ishukone or Hyasyoda actually posses these other similarities to the Gallenteans.

The chief motive for spreading these lies seems to be to alienate the Ishuk-Raata alliance from the rest of the Caldari and force them closer to Capsuleers loyal to the Federation. A recent tactic has been to use ethnic Caladri puppets claiming to love the State as spokesmen for their propaganda.
Starr Tookus
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-11 15:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Starr Tookus
Arkady Sadik wrote:
For an outsider who has not been following the inner-state developments too closely, could someone please sum up the main positions and points of contestation of the "liberals" and the ... "conservatives"? Is that how they call themselves? ... within the State? Especially in as far as to what makes the liberals "liberal"?

Some of my Provist dossiers have just become unclassified, so you are in luck. I'll draw from a few of them:

Before the rise of Tibus Heth, the Big 8 Megacorps were aligned this way: State Factionalism. Rough generalizations go like this:

Partriot: Success and expansion of The State best environment for Caldari corporations.

Liberal: Large, interstellar market and fair trade opportunities outside The State best environment for Caldari corporations.

Practical: Power of The State giving advantage in business dealings best environment for Caldari corporations.


When Heth formed the CPD, it was actually with some from the Patriot faction dissenting (Ishukone did a 180 degree turn after Malkalen). However, the goals of the Patriot corps have closely aligned with the way the CPD is taking The State. For the most part, the general philosophies of the corporations have returned to their pre-war stances.

All three factions think of themselves as true Caldari, akin to centrists. The names of the factions aren't thrown around much except in a derogatory way. In the past "liberal" would have been a mocking term as those corps saw themselves as anything but turning themselves away from The State. So this CLC is an interesting development indeed. Few the term "practical" as a proper noun anymore. Liberals may use the term "patriot" in scorn, but that can backfire against them as most see themselves as loyal servants to their corp, and thus The State.
Starr Tookus
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-11 15:08:04 UTC
Hamish Grayson wrote:

The Ishukone and Hyasyoda bloc were given the name "Liberals" by the Gallente because Ishukone and Hyasyoda believe the best way to strengthen the State's economy is via Free trade. They push for the Chief Executive Panel to implement free trade policies because they believe in the economic concept of comparative advantage.

It is a widely-held belief that Hyasoda needs to play nice with other empires because it acquired far, far too much real estate outside of The State. Most of it was obtained during a booming time for their corp. However, they are now in a position where they would not exist as a megacorp without most of their land and station assets positioned outside Caldari space.

So, in essence, they are liberals by threat of extinction.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#15 - 2011-10-11 15:42:27 UTC
Fascinating. It's always interesting to see how rich the inner workings of other cultures are when you stop looking from a distance. It's difficult for me to comment on the inner-State discussions, but I'd be curious about the proceeds of this campaign - will there be any publications or summaries?

Quote:
The Republic markets may be "hostile", but every market houses potential benefits. You will never know those benefits unless you attempt to break into said market. In addition, showing the Republic we are interested in performing peaceful commercial relations may aid in simmering down hostilities between the State and Republic - a much preferable option for us all, many of us should think.
I have met quite a few Minmatar who feel very close to the Caldari in mind. The tribal mindset is not too different from the corporate mindset in some aspects, and meritocracy is common to both of our cultures. I think there are two main issues for friendly relations between our nations, and I don't think either will be fixed by simply showing us that you are interested in peaceful commercial relations.

The first issue is the Caldari support of the Amarr. I'm thinking here less about Ishukone's TCMS supplies to amarrian Holders, but about more direct support such as Lai Dai's efforts at modernizing the antiquated Amarrian war technology sector or the direct support some Caldari groups give Amarrian slave raiding parties in the Republic. Especially the latter is a recurring problem the solving of which would help the relations a great deal.

The second issue is less easy to fix. The Federation has been a long-standing ally of the Republic, and we owe them a lot - something we will not easily forget. I hope that the State and the Federation can over time settle their differences, but until then, any possible relations between our nations will have a hard limit at the point where our relations would hurt the Federation. It's a difficult situation.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2011-10-11 18:48:46 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
and meritocracy is common to both of our cultures.


What ? Half true only to my opinion. While it may well be true in public institutions and corporate principles, it is definitly not true in the tribal core system, and it is also stained by racism or xenophobic mindsets :

- In the tribal system, it does not really matter what you are worth, elders govern, be them poorly incompetent or not, while the young obey to the social hierarchy, for example. It is not always the case depending of the tribe, but it is something very "natural" in that kind of system.

- Racism or xenophobic feelings are all powerful in every institution I have had the displeasure to be part of in the Republic. Even if you will find that kind of people everywhere in every nation, it is very common to my experience as someone born as Ammatar to be treated like barely human, even by officials or institutions that should obviously not doing that if they really agreed with the Republic principles.


Arkady Sadik wrote:
The second issue is less easy to fix. The Federation has been a long-standing ally of the Republic, and we owe them a lot - something we will not easily forget.


It is a quite weird political situation. While one expect the other to convert to its culture and political system in exchange for help, the other one spoils that help to build secret armadas instead of developping its civilization. A lot of contradictions between both, in the exact same way it is the case for the Empire and the State.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#17 - 2011-10-11 20:05:17 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
What ? Half true only to my opinion. While it may well be true in public institutions and corporate principles, it is definitly not true in the tribal core system, and it is also stained by racism or xenophobic mindsets :

- In the tribal system, it does not really matter what you are worth, elders govern, be them poorly incompetent or not, while the young obey to the social hierarchy, for example. It is not always the case depending of the tribe, but it is something very "natural" in that kind of system.
I don't think I'd really disagree with you. Clan and tribal background are important for most Minmatar, and especially traditionalists. I did not mean to say that the tribes are some kind of "purely meritocratic" system. On the other hand, I do believe that good work can more easily out-weight a "bad" background in the Republic than it can, say, in the Empire.

Just as an example, the ability to leave a clan is rather important to us. In a sense, clans are voluntary associations - much like corporations. The head of clans are chosen in some form or another, but if they are incompetent, their clan will not do well - much like the CEO is chosen in some form or another, and if they are incompetent, their corporation will not do well. And clans can rapidly change in prestige, much like corporations can.

From what I understood, there are job contracts in the State that basically bond you to a corporation with no chance of early cancellation, even life-long contracts. This would be unthinkable for a clan membership here. On the other hand, for many workers, changing corporations is not uncommon and actually happens regularly. This, again, would be unthinkable here - your clan is extremely important, and leaving one is not done light-heartedly at all. But also in this sense, in the pride you take of your clan, I can see some similarities to the Caldari taking pride in their corporation. (And again, there are also differences.)

I find such comparisons very interesting. But in the end, I probably expressed myself badly with that short comment on meritocracy, so apologies for that. If this topic is interesting to anyone, I recommend starting a new thread - it is derailing this topic quite a bit.

Quote:
- Racism or xenophobic feelings are all powerful in every institution I have had the displeasure to be part of in the Republic.
I am sorry to hear so. While it would be far from me to claim that there are no prejudices or suspicions against the Nefantar in general, I think your recent history of being an active Holder remaining loyal to the Empire during the uprising in the Mandate and your role in the war zone are not irrelevant to the reactions you evoked. So I'm not sure how much of that is racism as such, and how much of it is a reaction to your actions. Considering your recent actions, this will hopefully improve over time.

Finding a good clan to take you up would also help, of course.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#18 - 2011-10-11 22:17:14 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:


What ? Half true only to my opinion. While it may well be true in public institutions and corporate principles, it is definitly not true in the tribal core system, and it is also stained by racism or xenophobic mindsets :

- In the tribal system, it does not really matter what you are worth, elders govern, be them poorly incompetent or not, while the young obey to the social hierarchy, for example. It is not always the case depending of the tribe, but it is something very "natural" in that kind of system.

- Racism or xenophobic feelings are all powerful in every institution I have had the displeasure to be part of in the Republic. Even if you will find that kind of people everywhere in every nation, it is very common to my experience as someone born as Ammatar to be treated like barely human, even by officials or institutions that should obviously not doing that if they really agreed with the Republic principles.

It is a quite weird political situation. While one expect the other to convert to its culture and political system in exchange for help, the other one spoils that help to build secret armadas instead of developping its civilization. A lot of contradictions between both, in the exact same way it is the case for the Empire and the State.



And you've lived in the Republic and been a member of a clan and tribe for how long Farel? Oh, the answer to both parts of that question is "never", therefore, you have as much authority on tribal politics and life as would a child when asked to explain nuclear physics. Unlike your blind allegiance to the Imperial government, we hold no such absolute allegiance to our clan or tribal leaders. We give them a great deal of respect and deference, yes. However, if a majority of the governed feel that the leader is no longer serving the needs of the whole, they can and will be removed. If you doubt this just look to the Chief of my own tribe, former Prime Minister Karin Midular.

As to your assertion of rampant racism within the Republic I say hogwash. We don't have much good to say about the Amarr or their lackeys, quite true, but among those who remained true to our people during and after the occupation you'll find very little dispute. Competition, yes; hatred, no. I work alongside and have very good relations with Brutor, Vherokior and Thukker. If I knew any Starkmanir (or Nefantar who remained loyal) I'm sure we'd get along quite well. In case you weren't aware we even have Amarrians within EM and I most certainly don't disrespect, or treat them poorly because of their ethnicity. The reason you were treated badly had more to do with the fact that you took up arms against the Republic and less with the fact that you were born in the Mandate. Given your change in affiliation and generally progressive views, however, I imagine that given enough time peoples' opinions of you will change.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-11 23:44:03 UTC
The history of every nation knows periods when prejudice and fear of change prevail. But to be afraid of change, is to be afraid of the future. The strongest force for human progress is trust in the people. Those who unify themselves behind this vision, can break away from the legacy of lethargy and dispute.

In long time there has been no evidence of progress in the political rapprochement between the State and the Federation. Today, we are hearing cracks appearing in the wall of stagnation. The views of the Cal-Liberal movement have a flavour of energy and optimism in them. They are a promising chance for hope and reconciliation, a unique opportunity to recover, grow and collaborate.

A living dialog between cultures can be a source of great strength: it can spark new ideas and challenge the old ones. With an open mind, the blindfold of old-fashioned torpor cannot obfuscate our vision. Why should there be any limitations to the exchanges between people? Why shouldn't we be proud of our achievements? With more sharing and close relationships, the intergalactic space can be filled with warmth.

Although I am just an outsider, I salute the courage of the Cal-Liberal movement. It is positive to see that perhaps finally now the winds of change are beginning to blow and the citizens of the State are reaching out towards new horizons.
Varlerian Ti'kihli
Fly With The Beer
#20 - 2011-10-12 00:10:29 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Fascinating. It's always interesting to see how rich the inner workings of other cultures are when you stop looking from a distance. It's difficult for me to comment on the inner-State discussions, but I'd be curious about the proceeds of this campaign - will there be any publications or summaries?

Quote:
The Republic markets may be "hostile", but every market houses potential benefits. You will never know those benefits unless you attempt to break into said market. In addition, showing the Republic we are interested in performing peaceful commercial relations may aid in simmering down hostilities between the State and Republic - a much preferable option for us all, many of us should think.
I have met quite a few Minmatar who feel very close to the Caldari in mind. The tribal mindset is not too different from the corporate mindset in some aspects, and meritocracy is common to both of our cultures. I think there are two main issues for friendly relations between our nations, and I don't think either will be fixed by simply showing us that you are interested in peaceful commercial relations.

The first issue is the Caldari support of the Amarr. I'm thinking here less about Ishukone's TCMS supplies to amarrian Holders, but about more direct support such as Lai Dai's efforts at modernizing the antiquated Amarrian war technology sector or the direct support some Caldari groups give Amarrian slave raiding parties in the Republic. Especially the latter is a recurring problem the solving of which would help the relations a great deal.

The second issue is less easy to fix. The Federation has been a long-standing ally of the Republic, and we owe them a lot - something we will not easily forget. I hope that the State and the Federation can over time settle their differences, but until then, any possible relations between our nations will have a hard limit at the point where our relations would hurt the Federation. It's a difficult situation.


It does bring a rush of warmth to my heart to see some of our fellow neighbors in the Republic interested in breaking the shackles of separation and hostility. Granted, not every Caldari out there shares the same views that members of the CLC possess. I assume a majority of the Caldari who assist in Amarrian slave raiding parties, for example, to be self-interested mercenaries and privateers - a problem which plagues our nation, as well as other nations too, I'm sure. Through the concentrated efforts of the CLC, we shall make known to the cluster that free trading policies are the gateway to not only economic prosperity, but peace among nations as well. It will take some time to accomplish such a goal, yes, but through cooperative effort and brainstorming, it can be done.

And to answer your question - yes, publications and summaries will be posted periodically which will contain updates on the CLC. As a matter of fact, a Q&A session will be held on "The CLC" FTL comms channel this Friday the 14th at 00:00 hours. I encourage all to stop by to either ask questions they have or simply watch the discussion.
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