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Incarna/WiS Disappointment

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#641 - 2012-08-01 21:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Hobb
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Soulpirate wrote:
Problem is, they said it would be out after the 19th of last month.

Yeah yeah, I know, it is still technically after July 19th. Roll

Point being is we were made to believe that it was ready and just waiting for
someone to return from vacation and release it.

OH ****! Someone might be doing work on something other than your pet feature/request in EVE!

Pet feature request? Rather ignorant remark coming from that vocal minority...you guys are usually better than that.

Well no...no you aren't.

Sorry...forget I said anything.

I can't wait to see the Dev Blog...crossing fingers for this week.

If we're going straight to the ad hominem, I might point out that you space barbie enthusiasts are being typically "jihadish" with your butan-mashing today. Try reading WTF I wrote once again and maybe you'll realize none of that was pointed at the WIS crowd or a proposed feature I have already stated sounds p cool in this thread (albeit on a alt, but whatever, maybe try reading).

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Mashie Saldana
Jamgu Initiatives
#642 - 2012-08-01 22:04:38 UTC
I wouldn't mind playing Day Z in space ruins tbh. All needed gamepley will be there as soon as 2 or more players are in the same ruin.
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
#643 - 2012-08-01 22:07:31 UTC
I don't want anything special or new. The "on-foot exploration" sounds pretty cool, but it's bizarre to say the least. This is something that would take a relatively large amount of resources to complete for something considered 'functional'.

What happened to what was originally "promised" or hinted at? Such as social venues and the ability to prospect real-estate for stuff like in-station "pubs" or casinos. Also, the "war room" stuff. This is all easier to do than actual "combat gameplay" shown in the "survival horror exploration".

I would like both, but it seems odd that.. in answer to the disappointment that was Incarna, and in response to the overwhelming 'uprising' to what was received, they've decided to consider something that would take more resources to complete.


Whatever happens.. no matter what you do in the "avatar" department, you will still have Goons types, and the sociopath types, frothing at the mouth if you don't exclusively add ships and stuff that only "Null Blobs" can use. The barge changes alone are proof of this. If 'avatar' and Incarna stuff can be added piecemeal to future updates without diminishing FiS content, then I don't see the problem here.
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#644 - 2012-08-01 22:07:32 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Soulpirate wrote:
Problem is, they said it would be out after the 19th of last month.

Yeah yeah, I know, it is still technically after July 19th. Roll

Point being is we were made to believe that it was ready and just waiting for
someone to return from vacation and release it.

OH ****! Someone might be doing work on something other than your pet feature/request in EVE!

It's fine they work on everything at once, what bugs me is when a promised
blog is 2 weeks over due.

I hate when people can't stick to a timeline and just throw out excuses as to why. Big smile
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#645 - 2012-08-01 22:13:01 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Ghazu wrote:

fyi indahchuck is one of them dudes hoping desperately to emote with other dudes in a station, demanding the quick and dirty development of social gameplay,
as in duh uh just copy 2nd life into eve.


Provided that i've never stated what i do have in mind for WiS gameplay, your post can be considered plain trolling. I've suggested many features and/or mechanics that would allow players to create their own gameplay, and also have suggested means to allow players to develop WiS content as a way to make WiS development lighter on CCP's limited art resources.

But as for WiS gameplay, I haven't ever said a word... yet.

In a sense, the current idea of TA is wrong. EVE is about emergent gameplay, not about providing assembled toys with buttons to press and get bacon. There are only so much ways to raid a dungeon and forcing players to be in jail or face death in a 20 vs 1 gank is a waste of time and resources.

What would players like to do? Have more ways to kill each other? Is that all what CCP can come with?

Why don't ask players what ELSE would they want to do in New Eden...?


didn't you or your alt suggested some /dance game?


No. I did suggest to implement the ability to dance coordinately following dance standards (and already figured a few ways to implement that within EVE's technical limitations).

By the way, that technology would allow to implement formation flying and squadron maneuvering in space, thus opening a door to fleet-based area of effect bonus and/or handicaps... all without line of sight firing or joystick flying.

You know, a man and a woman revolve around each other as music plays in a station... and outside there, whole fleets struggle to maneuver into "bonus" formation/position to overcome the odds and win a battle against a disorganized gang.

It's the same principle.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#646 - 2012-08-01 22:14:38 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Soulpirate wrote:
Problem is, they said it would be out after the 19th of last month.

Yeah yeah, I know, it is still technically after July 19th. Roll

Point being is we were made to believe that it was ready and just waiting for
someone to return from vacation and release it.

OH ****! Someone might be doing work on something other than your pet feature/request in EVE!

It's fine they work on everything at once, what bugs me is when a promised
blog is 2 weeks over due.

I hate when people can't stick to a timeline and just throw out excuses as to why. Big smile

You said it yourself, they said it would be out "after the 19th of last month". Patience, Grasshopper. ****, I've been waiting for the next CSM minutes for however long that's been. Let these people polish up the feature or blog a little bit so we get some awesome screenshots.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Boseo
Azure Horizon
#647 - 2012-08-01 22:40:21 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

*snip*

Did you saw the video with the box ninja in Moscow? There was that box guy with three stat bars (shiled/armor/life), environment eating first, then second, then last, and then the box ninja died.
So, evidence of shield, armor, life: 1 video.
Evidence of that being false/wrong/abandoned: Null.
Debate on it: Null.
Devblogs on it: null.

*snip*


You got a link to that video? not seen it and am interested in seeing it. (also cant find it)

Sorry but file “forumsig.GIF” is currently unavailable please come back later…… like in a year or so.

Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#648 - 2012-08-01 22:46:58 UTC
Boseo wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

*snip*

Did you saw the video with the box ninja in Moscow? There was that box guy with three stat bars (shiled/armor/life), environment eating first, then second, then last, and then the box ninja died.
So, evidence of shield, armor, life: 1 video.
Evidence of that being false/wrong/abandoned: Null.
Debate on it: Null.
Devblogs on it: null.

*snip*


You got a link to that video? not seen it and am interested in seeing it. (also cant find it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajnxq65D220
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#649 - 2012-08-01 22:55:35 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Just a quick dev blog and video update. It will hit sometime after the 19th of July as it's currently waiting approval (again) from CCP Unifex who is off on a well deserved break at the moment. That's the original dev blog tidied up to show where we are at right now and a video of a presentation we gave internally a couple of weeks ago that I edited into a twenty minute version that hits all the salient points about the gameplay prototype we made as well as showing us playing through it for about ten minutes. Sorry for the delay (again), it's out of my hands and I'll be banging down Unifex's door as soon as he gets back.

Hmmm, what was I going to post?

Meh, nevermind I found a good quote anyhow. Twisted
Ghazu
#650 - 2012-08-01 23:12:12 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Ghazu wrote:

fyi indahchuck is one of them dudes hoping desperately to emote with other dudes in a station, demanding the quick and dirty development of social gameplay,
as in duh uh just copy 2nd life into eve.


Provided that i've never stated what i do have in mind for WiS gameplay, your post can be considered plain trolling. I've suggested many features and/or mechanics that would allow players to create their own gameplay, and also have suggested means to allow players to develop WiS content as a way to make WiS development lighter on CCP's limited art resources.

But as for WiS gameplay, I haven't ever said a word... yet.

In a sense, the current idea of TA is wrong. EVE is about emergent gameplay, not about providing assembled toys with buttons to press and get bacon. There are only so much ways to raid a dungeon and forcing players to be in jail or face death in a 20 vs 1 gank is a waste of time and resources.

What would players like to do? Have more ways to kill each other? Is that all what CCP can come with?

Why don't ask players what ELSE would they want to do in New Eden...?


didn't you or your alt suggested some /dance game?


No. I did suggest to implement the ability to dance coordinately following dance standards (and already figured a few ways to implement that within EVE's technical limitations).

By the way, that technology would allow to implement formation flying and squadron maneuvering in space, thus opening a door to fleet-based area of effect bonus and/or handicaps... all without line of sight firing or joystick flying.

You know, a man and a woman revolve around each other as music plays in a station... and outside there, whole fleets struggle to maneuver into "bonus" formation/position to overcome the odds and win a battle against a disorganized gang.

It's the same principle.


tell us about this technology got a link?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
Just let it happen
#651 - 2012-08-01 23:54:32 UTC
All the talk about how we are more than spaceships made me remember a comic strip I saw many years ago. I think it was called "May Stars!" The characters were all space objects, you never saw a person. They included:

A starship that looks like the original starship Enterprise
A sentient asteroid
A sailing ship ("Sail on! Sail on! I said." "Right over the edge?" " Yup, right over the edge".)
The pod from 2001: A space odyssey ("Have you seen a monolith?" "Try the next transdimensional hyperspace duct on the left")

My google-fu was insufficient to find it. Anyone know if there is any record of it, anywhere?

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Iscin
Mazikeen Institute
#652 - 2012-08-02 00:24:37 UTC
Personally I am a paying customer and am in favour of Incarna. However although I do want them to continue work on it, I also want them to take their time. This seems to be their new direction as they explained at Fanfest '12. So I hope to see a really cool expansion at a later date that will greatly expand Incarna and give us a new social dimension to EVE as was the original creative vision.
CCP Bayesian
#653 - 2012-08-02 16:25:40 UTC
Sorry for the radio silence for the past couple of weeks, I've been variously ill, spraining ankles and on holiday.

I've got bad news about the devblog we promised. It's been swallowed by the black hole of corporateness and won't be seeing the light of day for the foreseeable future. The team have been as vocal as we can about the merits of putting it out but to no avail. We're continuing to try and work out a way of showing you work we're proud of and think you will like but for now our hands are completely tied. Sad

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#654 - 2012-08-02 16:33:47 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Sorry for the radio silence for the past couple of weeks, I've been variously ill, spraining ankles and on holiday.

I've got bad news about the devblog we promised. It's been swallowed by the black hole of corporateness and won't be seeing the light of day for the foreseeable future. The team have been as vocal as we can about the merits of putting it out but to no avail. We're continuing to try and work out a way of showing you work we're proud of and think you will like but for now our hands are completely tied. Sad


So, they gagged the info, or are simply not supporting the idea?
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#655 - 2012-08-02 16:35:33 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Sorry for the radio silence for the past couple of weeks, I've been variously ill, spraining ankles and on holiday.

I've got bad news about the devblog we promised. It's been swallowed by the black hole of corporateness and won't be seeing the light of day for the foreseeable future. The team have been as vocal as we can about the merits of putting it out but to no avail. We're continuing to try and work out a way of showing you work we're proud of and think you will like but for now our hands are completely tied. Sad

Well, thanks for the heads up, as disappointing as it is, better to get
any news(even bad) rather than silence.

Just reading through the CSM minutes I get the answers I wanted anyhow.
Basically nothing at all from WiS untill 2013, which likely means late 2013
ie. Winter Release, for which we may as well say 2014. Add to that the fact
there seems to be a complete lack of desire to even talk about Social Areas
I really have seen enough.

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
Just let it happen
#656 - 2012-08-02 16:35:55 UTC
Time to start doing the only thing the corporate heads hear: Unsubbing accounts.

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Murashu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#657 - 2012-08-02 16:44:23 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Sorry for the radio silence for the past couple of weeks, I've been variously ill, spraining ankles and on holiday.

I've got bad news about the devblog we promised. It's been swallowed by the black hole of corporateness and won't be seeing the light of day for the foreseeable future. The team have been as vocal as we can about the merits of putting it out but to no avail. We're continuing to try and work out a way of showing you work we're proud of and think you will like but for now our hands are completely tied. Sad

Thanks for the headsup :(
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#658 - 2012-08-02 16:55:00 UTC
You know what, just remove the effing CQ then untill you have something to add to it
because for people who wanted WiS it is just a bitter reminder of a failed experiment
that got halted because CCP misunderstood why all those people unsubbed, and for
new players it's just confusing as to why they have an avatar if it is just stuck in one
room and does nothing.
Aooz
Doomheim
#659 - 2012-08-02 16:58:38 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:

So, they gagged the info, or are simply not supporting the idea?


Both.

I suggested before to give up hope and I urge you to heed my advice.
Lilliana Stelles
#660 - 2012-08-02 17:19:52 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Sorry for the radio silence for the past couple of weeks, I've been variously ill, spraining ankles and on holiday.

I've got bad news about the devblog we promised. It's been swallowed by the black hole of corporateness and won't be seeing the light of day for the foreseeable future. The team have been as vocal as we can about the merits of putting it out but to no avail. We're continuing to try and work out a way of showing you work we're proud of and think you will like but for now our hands are completely tied. Sad


What would you suggest we do as a community?
Start a petition? Buy more Aur? Unsub?

This is one of the big draws to Eve for me. I'd like to support it if there's any way to.

Not a forum alt.