Warfare & Tactics

Make plexes like incursions and have an optimum size, and then make people kill all rats (or the commander or something) before they will payout. If attackers warp out, count back down to zero or even to the defender's side (delete the plex if it gets to -15).

Also, dplexing needs rewards to not turn this into the tol barad of WoW (Each side died and let the attackers win, so they could in turn capture it back, it was much more rewarding than actually fighting over it.

The main plexes that are fought over are the ones where a corp lives in. Other than that, it's free reign.

A ship designed to be optimal at plexing is going to be better at it then one designed for pvp at the disadvantage of not being able to fight players.

I see nothing wrong with this.

Oh, by the way, I've been labeled a FW plex farmer by some in the Caldari Militia. Do I plex without guns? Dang right I do. It's the cheapest way to do it. Do I run away most of the time? Hell yeah. The times I haven't run away is if I'm tabbed out. Then I just lose my ship. big whoop.

However, do I JUST plex? HELL NO. I did that for a week, made a good chunk of LP and am waiting for the right time to spend it. For the past 3 week I've been pvping in and around plexes, gates, stars, friendly and enemy systems, ALL THAT. I say if someone wants to sit on a button and make tons of ISK for their main account, go right ahead.

If anything, reducing or totally eliminating LP for systems that are already vulnerable is a dang good idea, as well as making a button slowly run back down to 0 if there's nobody in there. Would that hamper my ability to farm plexes? Yeah. But it'll make plexing for profit work along the lines of plexing for control of the warzone.


TLDR: I plex and PVP, I support a few plexing ideas.

All-in-all I agree with most of Jade's post.



I don't think the rats should have to be killed to start the timer, but perhaps having to kill the rats to finish the timer would be more appropriate. That way the plexes don't actually take any longer than they currently do (good), but also can't be done by a solo frig with 500k SP (also good).



Pretty sure I dont like this one. Makes pods very vulnerable and would create a new meta where PvPing without full tackle becomes the new fotm.



I don't really have a problem with infinite vulnerability, especially if it were in conjunction with the changes mentioned above. I do agree that defensive plexing should net some LP (perhaps at a reduced amount?). I'm not sure how you would keep defensive plexing from being exploited by the same 500k SP alts, though. Denying all docking during invulnerable status would make it so that the defending side can get all their assets stuck in station, and might actually discourage people from living in lowsec. This would be bad.



I'd be fine with this as long as it didn't affect pilots not in FW.


Good idea, bad timeframe. 1 level an hour is waaaaaay to fast. If you do that you get into the territory of :timezonewars:. Imagine going to bed at 10pm local time, sleeping 8 hours, and logging on to find that your home system went from level 5 to level 0. Be pretty aggravating.

Acceleration gates are my problem. If you could warp in on one of those capture points at 0 or close to it then it would increase the risk by a much more reasonable amount. Its simply impossible to catch someone who is attentive with their scanner.

I hate to be blunt, but..... NO.

That's like punishing someone for warping out of their mission cause you warped in. Or in a broader sense, warping away to a safe from a stargate cause you're too heavy for them to fight.

I think you underestimate how many people like pvp in this game. To actually have a mechanic that brings about frequent quality small scale pvp would not kill faction war. It would grow eve like eve has never grown before.



I don't care if its through a broadcast or map or other ui. But I want to know where people are plexing so I can fight for the plexes. If people want to ignore the channel because they don't like pvp thats fine but they will lose sov because they did not fight for it.



Really so you were in a military that said ok take your gun and wander anywhere you want in this country we are at war with and try to find some enemies to shoot. And I suppose if one of you military complexes were attacked then they wouldn't alert anyone else they would never call for back up or reinforcements.

Strange military you are in. Now I am not saying the entire military would go to that facility - that is what null sec blob warfare is like. But military who are nearby would likely try to come in to assist.



So you want faction war to have some pure pve (missions) and some mostly pve with some pvp (plexes). I disagree that is how it should be. FW can offer pve in the form of missions. But as long as the plexing war remains a pve contest it will be joke.

People don't really blend pvp and pve. Either the pve is inconsequential or people have to fit for pve.

You will. In 2-4 years. Which is how long it takes CCP to spot a problem. That is while thousands of people are jumping up and down in front of them holding up giant arrows pointing at the problem. Do I sound bitter?

I really love the new faction warefare changes. The only problem I have is that the most efficient way to farm plexes of any size is to use a weapon-less frigate. This doesn't make any sense.

Therefore I propose, that the plex counter stops counting down as long as NPC are on grid. This will force people to fit guns and to bring some larger ships for the larger plexes. Since finishing larger plexes is more affected by this change than the small ones I propose as trade, that the time to count down a plex will be 15 minutes for all plexes, regardless of the size of the plex.