Market Discussions

In the last month I have played Guild Wars 2 beta.
I found it to be of a proudness factor for EvE - a 10 years old game - to be copied by yet to be released MMOs.

- As revealed by me months ago, it copied the PLEX concept and explicitly mentioned EvE on their official blog. It's even possible to trade these "PLEX alike" things to / from in game money.

- They actually hired an in house economist (!) also shown in this video along with the other employees.

- The beta auction house had graphs showing price trends (not sure they'll keep it at release).

- They have "borrowed" from EvE the buy and sell orders vs market orders system. This is a video showing the EvE system (including screen shots) matched to the GW2 system.


I'd almost want to see DUST 515: EvE "hack and slash" edition coming in the next years.

See last posts for updates.

EvE market system is the best there is and should be taken as a base for games that includes auction house or similar market in their games.
I have always wondered why more games was not doing this, I am happy that GW2 is doing that. More reasons for me the try the game out.

In addition, there is a conversion rate from gold to gems and vice versa. Or at least that's what I hear...

Bunyip, maybe you don't know but you are a celebrity!

All the rookie chat ISDs, since endless years, always pointed newbies to read your bio.

You are the kingpin of C&P, WHAT IN THE GOOD OL' HELL AREYOU DOING HERE????

This is a case where being overly pedantic ruins information exchange.

While 'destroyed' can be used to describe what happens to materials used to construct an item, as merely a placeholder for a sink, it ignores the additional properties of that transformation. A ship blowing up is a transformation into ISK and salvage however there is also the aspect of a high-order item turning into lower-order items.

Thus there's not just a ISK, mineral, etc faucets and sinks making up various cycles that are in relative balance, we also have cycles going from low-order to high-order back down to lower-order.


Which completely lacks in GW2, basically it requires constant introduction of higher-order items in order to avoid saturation.

I'm not sure u can call it "is copied" if only a few aspects are actually copied. The whole concept of being/measuring ISK efficiency is absent in GW2. Thats mainly because there is no short-term destruction of items i can acquire, which results in a total different mindset when choosing, buying or upgrading equipment. As a result the currency in EvE "ISK", has a much more dominant role in the game and economy.

Example1: If u play PvP in GW2 u rarely run into the problem that u cant "effort" this activity or have to re-tune it to match your income, which is actually what i like about GW2, since its more casual and therefor more accessible, without the need to invest heavily into it (time).

Example2: Ask a GW2 or WoW player what his average monthly Gold/H income is, now do the same to a EvE player.

Example3: In GW2 u never end up asking yourself, should i buy this shiny new longsword or may i loose it in 2 days.

Thats why in GW2 like in WoW and any other theme-park MMO u are much less concerned about the in-game currency/market and more about mechanics and gameplay and progression.

So while i see it as a improvement over the WoW system, i don't think they actually copied EvE's "economy model" at all, they picked some features that made sense to them and thats it, but it won't change the general tone of the in-game economy and its theme "parkish" overall appeal, which is also reflected in the other game aspects like gameplay/quests and death system. Its still a very accessible and fight mechanic centric theme park mmo, which is fine.


bye Andy

PS: I'm also skeptical how the RM effects actual PvE and PvP gameplay, i don't think its "Pay to win" in the direct sense, but i hope they achieve there monetizing goals, without sacrificing there overall vision or balance. As a bad example i used to play Vindictus, but they really changed it into a "de-facto" "Pay to win" after the initial release. A good example would be LoL and a "mhhh" example would be WoT, since in a clanfight u always hear quotes like "Do u have Gold ammo? If not go buy some.", so in WoT Gold ammo is "nearly" accepted as a de-facto standard to be competitive in clan wars.

@ VV

Thought you might like to read this:
Superstitious Fund: Too mystic to fail

It's amusing. But they also link to the website that has the source to the trading bot.

**note to CCP: this is -NOT- a trading bot in EO. This is a trading bot to trade in RL markets. This is a purely informative link that I think VV might be interested in.

Ah oki i understand your point, but i think the available isk/gold sinks and isk/gold inflation systems are part of the economic model/template. So to make it quick, i think GW2 is like 80% WoW and maybe 15% EvE, economic wise, ofc thats highly unscientific and i just pulled those numbers from my guts :p

bye Andy

Well oki, but symbolically speaking the GW2 "Ferrari" is not actually "licensed" by Ferrari, is just a Red Car, with doors and 4 wheels and while it body looks similar, it don't has a high powered V12 engine and uses a 4 cylinder 120HP engine.
So is it a Ferrari now or just a cheap ass underpowered red sportscar, borrowing some car-body's designs?


bye :p