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this is a rhetorical question or a kōan or something, right?

like the sound of a tree falling on one clapping hand in the forest?

1 trillion isnt that much considering they have almost 10k characters.

Its 100M ISK for each player in their alliance.

3 or 4 hours of grinding per toon.

How much does it cost to buy and fit out a drake nowadays ?

OP has a point but presents it poorly - if the tech nerf and t2 production revamp works out well (and no other moon mineral becomes an extreme bottleneck) the current advantage that Goonswarm, PL, ... gained from holding tech moons for so long will be effectively locked in as other forms of alliance income (rent etc) are markedly inferior and "catching up" to these levels of wealth would be even harder for other alliances than it currently is.

As an illustration;: if the public spreadsheet is to be trusted GSF alliance income fell by ~40% since the technetium devblog was posted.

With the tech nerf the earning power of alliances is taking a big hit and those with big coffers full of "old" tech money stand to profit from that as their future rivals will not be able to achieve similar levels of wealth with the same ease as they did,

Whilst goons do have formidable ISK reserves, they are still no match for the eternally unbeatable warchest that BoB accumulated with their massive T2 BPO stockpile.


This too shall pass is I guess what I'm saying.

Well not that I'm a fan of Goonswarm or anything but they have created an empire through good leadership, smart gameplay and an eye on the big picture. I remember a time when I would enter a system with my crew and Goons would run like pussies. They built their empire from the bottom, they deserve their glory. I don't see anything wrong with it.

On the flip side I do agree that in some regards CCP has to be careful about what changes they implement to ensure that its done in such a fashion that should Goonswarms or any other alliance for that matter make a mistake they will not be saved by the mechanic. Their empire should exist as long as they maintain it through their dedicated gameplay and not through broken mechanics and unfair advantages. I'm reminded of BOB who built their empire on a cheat, which once removed ended their reign over night proving that they didn't at all deserve it.

I love stupid people that dont understand the huge system that is behind goonswarm. There are people who sit on this game all day and trade and scam with alliance money to keep them funded. There are actual investment bankers in real life that manage there income lol. I mean honestly ice interdiction cost alot less then a war to fund and how much money do you think was made off that, aside from the lone players but the guys investing alliance funds. Do you honestly think there is nothing else that they can exploit to fund there sillyness.. really

A trillion ISK huh? Are you implying that one-trillion ISK is the trigger for when Goonswarm does something big and ridiculous? Start a surprise Tengu-geddon? Gank freighters in every trade hub, not just Jita for a week?

You're going to ruin the surprise :(

OP should apply to Goons so he can be space rich too. With his posting style he has a good chance of getting a free Rifter from Mittani when he arrives in C9N.

I really wish battleships would go down to 40m

what exactly was the issue OP?

I agree with the OP that no alliance (not singling out Goonswarm) should have a stockpile of wealth that makes them financially invulnerable for years to come.

Then I saw the picture Is it possible that the Goons only have one trillion ISK?? Not being ironic, I expected at least a hundred times that. Surely they own another hundred or thousand trillion ISK in assets like supercaps, technetium and minerals? Because a mere trillion will not last that long if things should start to go south for them in sov struggles and on the battlefields. I'm actually kinda relieved. Maybe the outlook in null is better than I thought.