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Gila fitting for high / losec exploration / DEDs

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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#1 - 2012-07-31 07:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Hazen Koraka
Hi I'm looking for a decent Gila fit for running high and perhaps (less of a priority) losec anoms and DEDs.

So it would need to have:

1) Core Probe launcher
2) Decent Dps
3) Decent Tank.

I have a fit thats basically

[Lows]
2 T2 DDAs
1xDamage Control II
1xPhotonic CPU

[Mids]
2xLarge Shield Extender II
1xKinetic Deflection Field II
1xThermal Deflectin Field II
1xAdapative Invulnerability Field II
1x10Mn AB

[Highs]
3xArbalest Heavy Missile Launchers
1xCore Probe Launcher

[Rigs]
2xCore Defense Field purger (was wrongly Extender!)
1xDrone hp rig (can't remember name).

This fit has a lot of issues, being an active tank with no shield booster (should I drop the invuln?).

Do I lose the Dam Control and CPU mod, and lose some active resists for something else?

It has mediocre 320 dps at the moment (my drone skills need some work). Not sure of the tank but the ehp is about 23k.

Any suggestions please? This is my first stab at a Gila. I'd also prefer to have a MWD but that makes fittting tricky.

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Kate Stenton
Foundation Enterprises
#2 - 2012-07-31 08:33:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kate Stenton
Hi, I'm still new to EVE so maybe disregard everything I'm saying... but!

I think Purger rigs are used in PvE and Extender rigs for PvP, so switching those should help your tank. Also drop the DCU for PVE and fit 1 or 2 Shield Power Relays as needed.

Are you using heavy drones or sentry drones? You will want to try and fit a drone tracking link in your mids and a navigation computer if you're using heavies.

A drone link augmenter in your high would help since many sites you land 60+ km from the pirates. Missile damage is mostly for looks and you can put anything in there just to get aggro.

In hisec you will be able to run 3/10 & 4/10 plexes. 3/10 is very easy and I have done it in a T1 frigate so something like 200dps tank is plenty. I can blitz a 4/10 in a Myrm with 420ish dps tank, but in a cruiser with an AB running you should be able to get away with less.

I have mostly ran plexes in Gallente and Amarr space so I don't know how difficult the other factions are. The serpentis 4/10 boss has a really hard tank and the first time I killed him with 190dps and it took me 10 minutes or something. I'm still under 300 dps now but he goes down a lot faster.

I would try something like:


[Gila, Gila fit]

Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
10MN Afterburner II

Upgraded 'Malkuth' Light Missile Launcher
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Drone Link Augmentor II
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Lots of Drones

It's tight on CPU and you could drop down to a T1 drone link augmenter and passive shield resist mods to ease up on the CPU since it is way overtanked depending on your skills.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#3 - 2012-07-31 12:04:58 UTC
Ah thanks, and I will edit my fit, my rigs were the purger type, I just mistyped them!

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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#4 - 2012-07-31 12:07:08 UTC
Would your fit work ok in the DED 5/10 or 6/10? Plus I was fitting 3x arbalests to give a bit of dps support to the drones, esp when taking out cruisers or larger.

Im using mixture of lights, mediums and heavies as I cant use sentrys yet.

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Mishra Ninghor
The Scarlet Storm
#5 - 2012-07-31 12:25:45 UTC
Going with the core probe launcher is a poor choice from the start. You can't use Deep Space exploration probes then which basically means you'll be using twice as much time scanning down and finding the plexes in the first place.

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#6 - 2012-07-31 12:27:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hazen Koraka
I don't have astrometrics V so I just use sisters core probes in highsec, which hasn't been a problem for me so far. Plus, the Gila has cpu issues when fitting lots of tank so and extended launcher is not possible with 220 tf requirement.

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Mishra Ninghor
The Scarlet Storm
#7 - 2012-07-31 13:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mishra Ninghor
Hazen Koraka wrote:
I don't have astrometrics V so I just use sisters core probes in highsec, which hasn't been a problem for me so far. Plus, the Gila has cpu issues when fitting lots of tank so and extended launcher is not possible with 220 tf requirement.


Still, it more then halves your probing time in many cases.

Like with ny numbers, I drop one probe in a highsec system and I see:

0.47
0.47
0.24
0.16
0.12
0.12

Basically I just go:
0.47 - Cut, not a plex
0.47 - Cut, not a plex
0.24 - Possible DED3, don't really wanna do a DED3
0.16 - Cut, not a plex
0.12 - Possible DED4
0.12 - Possible DED4

Basically, in one swoop I cut 4\6 signatures because they're not the 4\10's i'm looking for and I got two to scan down.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#8 - 2012-07-31 13:32:24 UTC
Mishra Ninghor wrote:
Going with the core probe launcher is a poor choice from the start. You can't use Deep Space exploration probes then which basically means you'll be using twice as much time scanning down and finding the plexes in the first place.

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/



Core probe launcher is the only sensible choice on a Gila. The Gila is cramped for CPU as-is, and an expanded launcher would take literally half the CPU of the hull, requiring you to offline your whole tank to probe and then vice versa (and onlining stuff on a passive shield tanked ship SUCKS).

The core probe launcher works just fine if you know what you're doing. It doesn't allow the cherry picking that DSPs do, but it does allow you to have a halfway decent fit. Expanded probe launchers only really work on T3s or CovOps, pretty much nothing else has the spare CPU to fit them along with a real fit (there are some ships you can wedge one on to, but it still gimps the fit some).

To the OP, your fit looks decent enough. However I would drop the drone HP rig (either sentry damage rig or more tank is better, just watch the drone agro and you won't lose drones). Also, which rats are you planning on fighting? Tank against those instead of trying to omni tank.

And using hardeners on a 'passive' ship is fine, it doesn't make it an active tank. Active tanks use reppers/boosters, passive use no reppers or boosters, 'true passive' are the only ones who don't use any cap-using modules at all. Just keep an eye on your cap stability when EFTing the hardeners (hint: switch to Domination hardeners for a bit (5%) of resist loss but a LOT lower cap usage (half) and lower CPU usage (34 instead of 44) for only 10-20M each).
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-07-31 13:55:07 UTC
Mishra Ninghor wrote:
Hazen Koraka wrote:
I don't have astrometrics V so I just use sisters core probes in highsec, which hasn't been a problem for me so far. Plus, the Gila has cpu issues when fitting lots of tank so and extended launcher is not possible with 220 tf requirement.


Still, it more then halves your probing time in many cases.

Like with ny numbers, I drop one probe in a highsec system and I see:

0.47
0.47
0.24
0.16
0.12
0.12

Basically I just go:
0.47 - Cut, not a plex
0.47 - Cut, not a plex
0.24 - Possible DED3, don't really wanna do a DED3
0.16 - Cut, not a plex
0.12 - Possible DED4
0.12 - Possible DED4

Basically, in one swoop I cut 4\6 signatures because they're not the 4\10's i'm looking for and I got two to scan down.


You can do exactly the same with Combat Probes and Core Probes. Only real downside is the lower scan range (32au) in big systems.
Mishra Ninghor
The Scarlet Storm
#10 - 2012-07-31 14:36:28 UTC
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:

You can do exactly the same with Combat Probes and Core Probes. Only real downside is the lower scan range (32au) in big systems.


I'm fairly sure you can not, core probes have too much scan strength so they color the results too much based on their distance to the target. And just the mention of Combat Probes in this setting is plain silly, since this is a PVE exclusive technique. There is no such this as doing this in PVP.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2012-07-31 14:56:21 UTC
Combat probes require an expanded launcher, but not Astro V.

Anyway, due to their lower strength, they can be used to filter signatures to an extent, just not as precisely as with DSPs and Mio's wonderful table.

Mishra, you can scan all signature types with combat probes.

.

Mishra Ninghor
The Scarlet Storm
#12 - 2012-07-31 15:31:29 UTC
Roime wrote:
*snip*


Well combat probes might work, haven't tried so can't say anything. But fairly certain core probes don't do a good job at it.
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-07-31 16:00:47 UTC
I scan signatures with both Combats (for the initial scan) and Core Probes (both initial scan and getting the sigs to 100%) and it works well with Core Probes. Never had a single Signature that wasn't the signal strength I expected it to be.
One could even argue that Combat Probes are superior to Deep Space ones, as the small variation in initial signal strength gives you a hint in which cluster the signature is.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#14 - 2012-07-31 18:37:26 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Ah thanks, and I will edit my fit, my rigs were the purger type, I just mistyped them!


Worth mentioning: in EFT, drop down the little ship menu between fitting and character. Select "copy to keyboard". Magically paste on the forums! Way less typing.

Other fitting tools have the same functionality; dig around for it. Definitely saves some headaches.

Hazen Koraka wrote:
Would your fit work ok in the DED 5/10 or 6/10? Plus I was fitting 3x arbalests to give a bit of dps support to the drones, esp when taking out cruisers or larger.

Im using mixture of lights, mediums and heavies as I cant use sentrys yet.


Couple of things here. First, whether that fit (either of the posted ones, actually) will work in 5/10s and 6/10s depends on which space you're in. A quick look at them says neither of them will handle Blood or Sansha 6/10s and will struggle in 5/10s for those factions (and will almost certainly fail without sentries), but should do Serpentis/Guristas/Angels alright.

As far as a drone mix goes: get sentries. You'll want to swap out specific drones by the space you're in, but having an instant damage at range option is very, very important for doing things like sniping the overseer before warping while leaking into structure (this is common for 5/10s).

Also, don't mix drones in a single flight. It's ambiguous from the post whether you're doing that, but don't. Have a full flight of heavies/sentries for dealing with BC and larger, a full flight of lights for dealing with frigates, an a full flight of mediums for elite cruisers. Mixing drone sizes is just going to lead to sup-optimal performance against everything (much like mixing guns).
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#15 - 2012-08-01 07:09:08 UTC
Thanks all for the suggestions.

Another thing, would an all round explorer Gila be viable? I.e. fitting codebreaker + analyser (maybe drop the analyser)? Or would I be sacrificing too much tank?

I kind of want a tengu-like ship before I can fly it :D Anything that stops me having to swap ships from my scan frigate to a drake etc.

I'm guessing adding codebreaker/analyser will sacrifice too much tank to make 5/10 or 6/10 too difficult to run.

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