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why give mining barges a ridiculous boost and not tighten restrictions on -10s in highsec?

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clamslayer
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-30 20:09:09 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.

wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?

Miners are being ganked indiscriminately because:

-10 can fly around high sec in destroyers with out being stopped at gates. -10s shouldnt be able to jump a ship through gates
-10 can hope into an empty gank fitted ship in a safe spot and immediately warp to a roid belt to kill a target


this is the problem, too much freedom for -10 players in high sec and not enough consequence for killing a target in high sec



forcing players to have to rat their sec status up before they have freedom in high sec is the answer
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2 - 2012-07-30 20:11:15 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?


Simple answer? There shouldn't be any freedom for -10s in controlled space... why? Because they are ciminals!

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#3 - 2012-07-30 20:12:11 UTC
There is no freedom, they can be shot by anyone and failing player effort in shooting them, the npc's will do the job in short time anyway.

Freedom my ass.

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El Cid Campeador
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-07-30 20:13:05 UTC
They keep saying ungankable.... nothing is ungankable... I believe the word is unprofitable.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#5 - 2012-07-30 20:19:20 UTC
The mining ships are not un-gankable. Freighters are ganked and they have 200k EHP. The new Skiff when tanked has around 100k EHP. Thus it can be ganked with half the effort needed for a freighter.

You just have to want to do the gank and do whats needed to get it.

-10's are allowed in high sec to give that option to those players.

The purpose of the exhumer change is not to make it so a -10 player cannot gank, it to make the isk needed to gank closer to the isk destroyed.

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#6 - 2012-07-30 20:21:42 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
The purpose of the exhumer change is not to make it so a -10 player cannot gank, it to make the isk needed to gank closer to the isk destroyed.


Even though it's not the BEST balancing affort, it's the simplest... agreed.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-07-30 20:23:18 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.

wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?


Not false not true, the major problem is the fact Empire police are the dumbest security forces you can find, even in the crazyest earth territory you can find security forces ganking outlaws with wood sticks and wips, but in eve after discovering interstellar warping systems, advanced weapon systems and pilots surviving they're unable to to something about outlaws...
Maybe because they're too dumb?

brb
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-07-30 20:23:59 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?


i'm sure that you've operated as a -10 in hisec without any issues

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-07-30 20:24:47 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
The purpose of the exhumer change is not to make it so a -10 player cannot gank, it to make the isk needed to gank closer to the isk destroyed.


Tell me more about how DPS and cost have a linear relationship

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clamslayer
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-07-30 20:36:25 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?


i'm sure that you've operated as a -10 in hisec without any issues



If you think there is no freedom for -10 in high sec your... My iPhone is garbage post over for now
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#11 - 2012-07-30 20:36:34 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.

wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?


Not false not true, the major problem is the fact Empire police are the dumbest security forces you can find, even in the crazyest earth territory you can find security forces ganking outlaws with wood sticks and wips, but in eve after discovering interstellar warping systems, advanced weapon systems and pilots surviving they're unable to to something about outlaws...
Maybe because they're too dumb?


You compare real-world country police to highsec. That is the fallacy.

Nullsec 0.0 surrounded by a sea of blue is the closest you get to a real-world country comparison.

It's people like you who take safety for granted with the complete disregard to the actual violence that preceded it that continue to give new players the false impression highsec is meant to be the end game for them.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2012-07-30 20:38:58 UTC
Because it's your job to keep -10s out, not the game's.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-30 20:40:11 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?


Simple answer? There shouldn't be any freedom for -10s in controlled space... why? Because they are ciminals!


There is no freedom the second you undock the cops are on your ass.

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-07-30 20:42:30 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers.

When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong.
When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong.
When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong.
When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong.
When the last update to mining barges was the Exodus expansion, the second expansion for EvE Online that introduced them back in 2004, something is indeed wrong.

clamslayer wrote:
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
They're not ungankable. Nothing is ungankable nor will anything ever be ungankable as per CCPs design. Ganking was never intended to be a profitable profession in highsec. It's a measure players can take if they're desperate for revenge.

Know that the problem of highsec ganking has more roots than a single problem to point at. It's multiple problems that exacerbate each other. Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem and yes the fragility of mining barges/exumers are also a problem. Together they cause what we currently see today.

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Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#15 - 2012-07-30 20:42:48 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.

wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?



I am sorry that the pvp you are capable of is shooting unarmed mining ships.

"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."  -  James 315 - aka - the miner bumper

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#16 - 2012-07-30 20:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Garreth Vlox wrote:
There is no freedom the second you undock the cops are on your ass.


As it should be... given, most Amaricans playing the game will think differently... just kidding, ;-)

EDIT: @Cyprus Black: Thanks!

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-07-30 20:44:42 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.

wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?



That's right folks



Freedom is the problem

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#18 - 2012-07-30 20:49:39 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers.

When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong.
When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong.
When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong.
When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong.
When the last update to mining barges was the Exodus expansion, the second expansion for EvE Online that introduced them back in 2004, something is indeed wrong.

clamslayer wrote:
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
They're not ungankable. Nothing is ungankable nor will anything ever be ungankable as per CCPs design. Ganking was never intended to be a profitable profession in highsec. It's a measure players can take if they're desperate for revenge.

Know that the problem of highsec ganking has more roots than a single problem to point at. It's multiple problems that exacerbate each other. Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem and yes the fragility of mining barges/exumers are also a problem. Together they cause what we currently see today.


Holy ****, show me the 1 million ISK ship that can do that.

It can't be the catalyst, I mean, they cost like what, 1.2 mil unfitted?

Also, is the 300 mil ship completely devoid of any tank midslots while rigged with cargo expanders?
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#19 - 2012-07-30 20:51:01 UTC
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.

wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?



I am sorry that the pvp you are capable of is shooting unarmed mining ships.


I would be more sorry that the victims are playing a PVP game thinking it's something else.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#20 - 2012-07-30 20:54:01 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
I would be more sorry that the victims are playing a PVP game thinking it's something else.


Since when has the most complex Elite clone in history become a PvP game?... must have slipped past my radar, that.^^

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
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