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really? ive been in Jita a long time, and Ive never found anything selling below cost (except for the stupid POS module/PI debacle but thats not due to market factors)

Its my opinion that the people who are running POSs are generally more intelligent than that.

im not having trouble with that, my rebuttal was to the people who said that alchemy would be done with 0 profit. Im saying that nobody would do the alchemy on a tower for 0 profit, especially since that now means the tower cant be used for much else. which is not the case with just mining cobalt and dumping it into a silo.

My contention is that the idiots who sell their products assuming the minerals they mine are not free are not (for the most part) running POSs

Well not really true in a way. The main problem I see with you guys not being able to do it after it goes live. Is that you depend on tech money foremost. Which this has a chance to majorly nerf. Lossing all that ISK, would be worse then out gaming CCP. So here you guys are trying to warn us. Even though most of us won't be affected. Only you and your alliance. As well as other big allaince, not alot of us are a part of.

I wish I had more to say, but you goons F'ed up the economy so much, its really hard to predict what will happen, tbh. Guess we shall just wait to see what CCP makes go live, then move on from that or so.

Again, the current margins on a lot of types of alchemy, and the presence of towers running these reactions in rented space and low sec suggests you're wrong. I've scanned plenty of towers that mine evaporites and nothing else. I can understand your personal view that the amount of effort that goes into maintaining a POS isn't worthwhile without a good return on effort invested, but other people would rather undercut, sell their stuff, and just be able to have fuel costs met for their safe sport and can of ammo/CHA/SMA/whatever.

The overwhelming majority of credit for the current state of the economy goes to CCP, because they're the ones that removed the overwhelming majority of the supply of minerals. Hulkageddon didn't help but, had the drone regions remained intact, it would have been a blip as it had been in previous years...a bigger blip, perhaps, due to the bounties keeping people more involved, but a blip nonetheless. Burn Jita was really just a temporary blip in sales with no long term effect. Tech would be a price increase on the T2 front, to be sure, but that price increase is accentuated by the increase in minerals as well.

Really, its flattering that you give us so much credit, but our antics are accentuating effects, not primary drivers.

Alright, might have been giveing you more credit it seems. But curious on the amount of ISK given out for support for the permahulkageedon. Or if you will release those numbers someday.

It seems I fell for the mass hysteria. Been re-reading posts and it seems it comes from barges being to safe, as well as an overwhelming fear of bots. Not too sure about the bots.

It does seem this mining barge buff, would restore the economy after the drone nerf, but people do have a fear of bots, as well as wanting to gank miners alot. The tech pricing is strange, especially with CCP having a number they are shooting for or are trying to reach. Means this alchemy is mostly due to OTEC then. And almost siding with goons that it is all price fixing and not too much game applied.

It almost isn't price fixing, but what they expect of us sucks. Like CCP comes up with a way for us to help defeat OTEC, since we can't defeat it in game normally. But it doesn't bring pride to you that alchemy is the way to beat it I suppose. Like its more like price fixing, with the way CCP wants us to beat you goons and your allies.

Plus it kind of keeps old models in tact as well. As moons will still be the driving force for conflict in 0.0, as well as the main supply of tech. Of course that is if CCP price fixing plan works or not. Seem like there could be some things in its path though. Seems like bots will ruin this game more then goons will though. Kind of a suprise really.

Kind of wondering, what chances you are giving CCP to price fix well. And what chances you are given the other variables to mess up CCP's price fixing of tech?

The most famous person to try alchemy or invent alchemy was newton. Though the working theory in EVE is that the resource has to naturally dry up around you, for alchemy to work.

Newton went insane trying to develop alchemy (or maybe just ludicrious) Using EVE's working theory of alchemy, we can discover why he did.

He died a virgin of his own choice. So Newton (the genius) of his own volition, didn't use the resource of pussy or wait for pussy to dry up. He left it, (while there was plenty) and tried to develop alchemy. So he went insane.

Eve's theory would state, that newton would have to hit that pussy, till it was gone and he had none left. Then he would really discover alchemy, and avoid going insane.

Sometimes you try too hard to win in life. Newton's lesson he gives to us.

Does this mean moon mining is dead in the water?

any idea how this will affect pos runners who work reactions on dead moons?

In summary:
a) Add more/better ways for nullsec players to make bank without requiring renters, because renters are a dumb concept.
b) Make that personal income taxable at the source through automated mechanics.
c) This links nullsec income to personal income, thus requiring that an alliances lives in its own space to make money.

ummmm . . . alliance owned stations/outposts already give the brokers fees to the owning corp.