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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2181 - 2012-07-30 16:36:32 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build?


You don't know what T1 resists are?

Hulk shields:
0/50/40/20

Hulk armor:
60/10/25/35

Shield resists are same for all exhumers and mining barges.

I find it peculiar that you act like t1 resists on a t2 ship is a normal thing?

plus - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hulk

you can check there for the current tranqulity hulk details, and it clearly has a t2 resist profile.

I hope this explains my apparent surprise that they lowered the resist profile

But... maybe you are doing it all wrong because to my eyes you are posting the resistance profile of a Covetor

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2182 - 2012-07-30 16:37:29 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Sure, a guy going to biomass is so dumb to to do it the 5 minutes after he did a gank so his 512th victim will certainly check he went to doomheim, not 1-2 days later when nobody will even know he's online.


any of the other 511 victims can look him up and notice that he's in doomheim, you see

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2183 - 2012-07-30 16:38:27 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
NPC null is not harder or more risky. Sov space can be dropped on from NPC space by any scrub with a cyno skiff and a titan. Sov stations can be bubbled. There are just less dumb docking games.
Nullsec sov actually costs money to maintain (double digits billions per months) and untold man-hours of back-breaking logistics. If CCP doesn't want people to conquer space and live in it, they should just say so.


he probably thinks that all of nullsec is cynojammed with 150km of bubbles on every gate

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2184 - 2012-07-30 16:39:45 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Biomassing would leave you losing your T2 catalyst skills. Ratting sec status is a painful experience, you need like 10 hours to make it back from a -3 or -4 to a manageable sec status that won't make you be shot on sight by faction police.


Once I went to -9 dot something in 4 hours just for defending my corp POS in low sec.
But then, I was on this character, which is not a "LOLhisecgankalt".

Why do gankers have LOLhisecgankalts?

Simple, because they are true carebears who cringe in fear at the thought a guy with kill rights could meet them while they are flying a freigther or undocking in a pimp ship to do a L4.

So they make "smart usage of game mechanics" and create LOLhisecgankalts and won't care about their sec at all.

These characters have some totally carebear characteristics:

- Cheap if any implants. No risk.
- Completely circumvent any negative consequence of being -10, including Concord (won't attack them in capsule while they go to a Concord free safe spot anyway).
- Completely circumvent any negative sec consequences (only used to reship, warp in and explode).
- Low SP, can always biomass later.
- Will literally never leave a station if not to insta warp to a safe spot, board a catalyst and then warp to a target.
- Who cares about kill rights? Nobody will see the alt for longer than 10 seconds while you kill some random, then back to safety.


Miners are though heroes compared to cheesy LOLhisecgankalt players.

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2185 - 2012-07-30 16:42:04 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

flying a freigther or undocking in a pimp ship to do a L4.


Get it right, we do this on NPC alts with no kill rights or bad sec status. Goonswarm is perma wardecced by highsec camping corps.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2186 - 2012-07-30 16:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
My point is people like you should stop commenting with blatantly false ideas such as ''you can tank concord'' or ''Nullsec is fine you can rat for a billion an hour in sanctums''.


I didn't say that, did I? All I am saying is: Every playstyle has it's place in EVE... and highsec is for those who want to follow their trade (missions, mining, trading, etc.) in relative savety... you want to be a pirate or a corporate warlord? Great, go to lowsec/0.0 and get to it... I don't care.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2187 - 2012-07-30 16:42:33 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Why do gankers have LOLhisecgankalts?

Because i like flying around hisec without being shot at by everything

I have a -10 toon that does a job and i do not plan on sending it to Doomheim anytime soon

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2188 - 2012-07-30 16:44:18 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
My point is people like you should stop commenting with blatantly false ideas such as ''you can tank concord'' or ''Nullsec is fine you can rat for a billion an hour in sanctums''.


I didn't say that, did I? All I am saying is: Every playstyle has it's place in EVE... and highsec is for those who want to follow their trade (missions, mining, trading, etc.) in relative savety... you want to be a pirate or a corporate warlord? Great, go to lowsec/0.0 and get to it... I don't care.


My only point is that those playstyles (highsec missions and incursions) shouldn't have better or comparable incomes to playstyles who incorporate lots of risk and effort, such as nullsec and wormholes.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2189 - 2012-07-30 16:45:53 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
no, they won't do 500 dps to both targets because the ships will have different resistances.

not to mention the faction battleship can ignore the catalyst because it has enough ehp that concord will be there before the catalyst can even get through it's shield.

OK, so people are laughing at you because EHP is the HP which includes the resists, but I won't derail and will instead make the point clearer.

I can make a Vindicator do ~2000 dps and have 5 90% webs, which would make it most efficient in it's role. Sadly, it would only have 45k EHP and so 4 or 5 Catalysts fit for 1mil a piece could take down my 1.5bil battleship in highsec, as I autopiloted to my destination.

However, you are more likely to see people fitting what is commonly known as a "tank" to their ships; this is when you add to the EHP or self rep capability. When you do this, it will break 200k EHP with ease. Sadly, it will no longer do as much DPS (1200-1300) which means you are gimping it's role by at least 40%

Apparently, asking a miner to do what every one else does in the game is just TOO GOSH DARN hard.

You are not a special case, you're just bad at EvE. Taking your 200mil ship and NOT TANKING IT is silly.

Quoting for ******* truth.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2190 - 2012-07-30 16:46:29 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:


What, do you want every single one of us to have to clock 40 hours of work a week just to keep the privilege that is ratting for 40mil/hr in unsafe space? Of course the directors and logistics spergs do harder work than the line members. The point is that NPC null and highsec alliances don't even need anyone to do any of that work and don't need to foot 40 bil a month for sov bills because THEY DON'T EXIST.


They don't reap the benefits either. Before joining a sov alliance, our 0.0 POSes did not spew billions of moon goo worth a month. Before joining a sov alliance we had no station in all but 1 system. Before joining a sov alliance we were in some lolbadtruesec. Before joining a sov alliance we did not have Titan bridges and similar. It was like "wait 1 week till next JF runs to take stuff to low sec or come by foot (passing in half of Goon space BTW).

Risk and reweard. You only show your risks and don't show your rewards while downplaying the others'. I have been in 1 NPC nullsec corp and 2 sov alliances (my other alts were in Initiative alliance) and I kind of know how it goes.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2191 - 2012-07-30 16:46:50 UTC
my main is -10

technically the 7th lowest sec status in goonwaffe, first being Hulk Basher, a good friend of mine

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2192 - 2012-07-30 16:47:38 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

flying a freigther or undocking in a pimp ship to do a L4.


Get it right, we do this on NPC alts with no kill rights or bad sec status. Goonswarm is perma wardecced by highsec camping corps.


I was not referring to your particular case. Also, you are not special snowflakes, I was Logistics Officer in Dark Rising guess how many wardecs we had up at every given time?

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2193 - 2012-07-30 16:48:26 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build?


You don't know what T1 resists are?

Hulk shields:
0/50/40/20

Hulk armor:
60/10/25/35

Shield resists are same for all exhumers and mining barges.

I find it peculiar that you act like t1 resists on a t2 ship is a normal thing?

plus - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hulk

you can check there for the current tranqulity hulk details, and it clearly has a t2 resist profile.

I hope this explains my apparent surprise that they lowered the resist profile

But... maybe you are doing it all wrong because to my eyes you are posting the resistance profile of a Covetor

I think it had been mentioned before that the echumers had been changed to T1 shield resists on sisi, so perhaps that explains the lack of surprise, but those shield resist values are current as of right now.

Current bonuses: 7.5% resist per mining barge lvl for all exhumers, 5% shield capacity/mining barge lvl for the Skiff/Procurer
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2194 - 2012-07-30 16:48:46 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:


What, do you want every single one of us to have to clock 40 hours of work a week just to keep the privilege that is ratting for 40mil/hr in unsafe space? Of course the directors and logistics spergs do harder work than the line members. The point is that NPC null and highsec alliances don't even need anyone to do any of that work and don't need to foot 40 bil a month for sov bills because THEY DON'T EXIST.


They don't reap the benefits either. Before joining a sov alliance, our 0.0 POSes did not spew billions of moon goo worth a month. Before joining a sov alliance we had no station in all but 1 system. Before joining a sov alliance we were in some lolbadtruesec. Before joining a sov alliance we did not have Titan bridges and similar. It was like "wait 1 week till next JF runs to take stuff to low sec or come by foot (passing in half of Goon space BTW).

Risk and reweard. You only show your risks and don't show your rewards while downplaying the others'. I have been in 1 NPC nullsec corp and 2 sov alliances (my other alts were in Initiative alliance) and I kind of know how it goes.


hi

Lowsec and NPC null also have moons to mine.
Moon mining is not linked to having sov.
The good moons (technetium) are going to be nerfed to crap on august 8.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2195 - 2012-07-30 16:50:07 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Why do gankers have LOLhisecgankalts?

Because i like flying around hisec without being shot at by everything


And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences".

How is it better than dumb miners refusing the consequences of AFK their zero tank Hulk?

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#2196 - 2012-07-30 16:50:58 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Sure, a guy going to biomass is so dumb to to do it the 5 minutes after he did a gank so his 512th victim will certainly check he went to doomheim, not 1-2 days later when nobody will even know he's online.


any of the other 511 victims can look him up and notice that he's in doomheim, you see



I could be wrong, and sorry if I am, But faik the account gets banned, not the ip address. Making accounts for free is easy. and technically unlimited.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2197 - 2012-07-30 16:52:12 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
I could be wrong, and sorry if I am, But faik the account gets banned, not the ip address. Making accounts for free is easy. and technically unlimited.


not really, if you keep getting alt accounts banned for whatever reason i'm p sure they just ban all of your other accounts too

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2198 - 2012-07-30 16:53:28 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences".

How is it better than dumb miners refusing the consequences of AFK their zero tank Hulk?


i'm pretty sure more people recycle alts to keep concord in belts than people recycling good gank alts

the more you know

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2199 - 2012-07-30 16:54:31 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
I find it peculiar that you act like t1 resists on a t2 ship is a normal thing?

plus - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hulk

you can check there for the current tranqulity hulk details, and it clearly has a t2 resist profile.

I hope this explains my apparent surprise that they lowered the resist profile

But... maybe you are doing it all wrong because to my eyes you are posting the resistance profile of a Covetor


http://koti.mbnet.fi/raid/ExeFile%202012-07-30%2019-44-01-43.jpg
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#2200 - 2012-07-30 16:54:57 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Because that guy is so dumb to recycle in your face innit?


biomassing puts your character in a corp called doomheim

so yeah


LOL. I did not know that.

I seriously thought all the players in Doomheim were just insufferable whiners who were raging about getting their barges ganked and quitting all the time.

But those are biomassed chars - awesome. Good way to find out of the rage is genuine or just the online equivalent of cutting yourself.