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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2161 - 2012-07-30 16:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build?


You don't know what T1 resists are?

Hulk shields:
0/50/40/20

Hulk armor:
60/10/25/35


those aren't t1 resists hope this helps


Drake shields:
0/50/40/20

Afaik Drake is T1 hull.

Hurricane shields:
0/50/40/20

Hurricane armor:
60/10/25/35

Hurricane is also T1 hull.
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2162 - 2012-07-30 16:14:20 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build?


You don't know what T1 resists are?

Hulk shields:
0/50/40/20

Hulk armor:
60/10/25/35


those aren't t1 resists hope this helps


Drake shields:
0/50/40/20

Afaik Drake is T1 hull.


It's a bit dishonest to pick a battlecruiser and one of the best natural T1 shield tanks in the game,wouldn't you agree?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2163 - 2012-07-30 16:14:40 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like

Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)

While the risk/effort is

Wormholes >= NPC nullsec >>>>>>> sov nullsec > level 4s and highsec incursions


Fixed for you.

Yes I was one of those going to sheet in the L4 missioning systems in Stain, no way you can do it as easy and cause so much trouble by going in your blueball trenches.


hi there has to be a reward for holding space

otherwise what is the point of holding space


The typical 20-100 members NPC nullsec corp has to take fat risks just to dock at the NPC stations (perma double bubble and stuff), their subcaps and caps ops are certainly riskier than a fat ball ops with supercaps support and even at the individual level all you have to do is join your big alliance and attend some operation and be reimbursed for ship loss.
Even if your NPC nullsec corp / alliance controls a couple of systems, 2 jumps away you and your 5 buddies are already in the middle of a cloud of neuts. It's not an optional small roam for fun in there, it's what you have to do to live.

Moreover for the smaller entities neither the reimbursement is so granted nor the ability to join an op or not.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2164 - 2012-07-30 16:15:38 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Unless the guy is so stupid to recicle some alt called like "James315" and call the next "James316" how exactly do you know the recycling occurred?


"oh look the guy who ganked me is now in doomheim"

believe it or not GMs can figure out the rest


Because that guy is so dumb to recycle in your face innit?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2165 - 2012-07-30 16:16:00 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
The typical 20-100 members NPC nullsec corp has to take fat risks just to dock at the NPC stations (perma double bubble and stuff), their subcaps and caps ops are certainly riskier than a fat ball ops with supercaps support and even at the individual level all you have to do is join your big alliance and attend some operation and be reimbursed for ship loss.
Even if your NPC nullsec corp / alliance controls a couple of systems, 2 jumps away you and your 5 buddies are already in the middle of a cloud of neuts. It's not an optional small roam for fun in there, it's what you have to do to live.

Moreover for the smaller entities neither the reimbursement is so granted nor the ability to join an op or not.


nullsec is for large empires, not for irrelevant 10-man corps

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2166 - 2012-07-30 16:17:21 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Because that guy is so dumb to recycle in your face innit?


biomassing puts your character in a corp called doomheim

so yeah

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2167 - 2012-07-30 16:17:22 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
103 barrels of ganker tears, I'd say this must be a good year !! -that stuff's gonna be hot !


Gankers are quite happy with the changes to the barges, its the miners who are whining because we can still gank them for profit if they fail to fit a tank or pick the skiff.


What?!


Look at it all. They tasted a victory over the only threat they will ever face in highsec and then saw it taken from them when CCP saw that the "evil gankers" were correct in that they went overboard on the tanks. Now we are back to miners pulling their hair out in a mist of rage that they will be forced to face conciquences for their bad choices. Miners can easily avoid being ganked and the barges will be in better shape with a roll for all of them.

I can see a lot of rage topic coming soon over why the hulk is worse at tanking than the skiff when this goes live and they will be met with nothing but laughter.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2168 - 2012-07-30 16:17:41 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
It's a bit dishonest to pick a battlecruiser and one of the best natural T1 shield tanks in the game,wouldn't you agree?


Does it matter? Pretty much every T1 hull has same shield resists.
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2169 - 2012-07-30 16:18:16 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like

Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)

While the risk/effort is

Wormholes >= NPC nullsec >>>>>>> sov nullsec > level 4s and highsec incursions


Fixed for you.

Yes I was one of those going to sheet in the L4 missioning systems in Stain, no way you can do it as easy and cause so much trouble by going in your blueball trenches.


hi there has to be a reward for holding space

otherwise what is the point of holding space


The typical 20-100 members NPC nullsec corp has to take fat risks just to dock at the NPC stations (perma double bubble and stuff), their subcaps and caps ops are certainly riskier than a fat ball ops with supercaps support and even at the individual level all you have to do is join your big alliance and attend some operation and be reimbursed for ship loss.
Even if your NPC nullsec corp / alliance controls a couple of systems, 2 jumps away you and your 5 buddies are already in the middle of a cloud of neuts. It's not an optional small roam for fun in there, it's what you have to do to live.

Moreover for the smaller entities neither the reimbursement is so granted nor the ability to join an op or not.


hi

NPC null is not harder or more risky. Sov space can be dropped on from NPC space by any scrub with a cyno skiff and a titan. Sov stations can be bubbled. There are just less dumb docking games.
Nullsec sov actually costs money to maintain (double digits billions per months) and untold man-hours of back-breaking logistics. If CCP doesn't want people to conquer space and live in it, they should just say so.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2170 - 2012-07-30 16:22:21 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
The typical 20-100 members NPC nullsec corp has to take fat risks just to dock at the NPC stations (perma double bubble and stuff), their subcaps and caps ops are certainly riskier than a fat ball ops with supercaps support and even at the individual level all you have to do is join your big alliance and attend some operation and be reimbursed for ship loss.
Even if your NPC nullsec corp / alliance controls a couple of systems, 2 jumps away you and your 5 buddies are already in the middle of a cloud of neuts. It's not an optional small roam for fun in there, it's what you have to do to live.

Moreover for the smaller entities neither the reimbursement is so granted nor the ability to join an op or not.


nullsec is for large empires, not for irrelevant 10-man corps


I have seen a much less elitist and self entitled attitude when I received SirMolle's alliance mails (yeah I even had the venture of seeing my corp joining them Oops).
It's really true that you are going to be the new B(l)oB.

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2171 - 2012-07-30 16:23:14 UTC
The difference between 0.0 guys and highsec whiners is that we also have highsec alts and thus know what happens there, while you are completely clueless about how sov space works.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2172 - 2012-07-30 16:24:34 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:




I have seen a much less elitist and self entitled attitude when I received SirMolle's alliance mails (yeah I even had the venture of seeing my corp joining them Oops).
It's really true that you are going to be the new B(l)oB.


Point out where he is wrong.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2173 - 2012-07-30 16:24:37 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Because that guy is so dumb to recycle in your face innit?


biomassing puts your character in a corp called doomheim

so yeah


Sure, a guy going to biomass is so dumb to to do it the 5 minutes after he did a gank so his 512th victim will certainly check he went to doomheim, not 1-2 days later when nobody will even know he's online.

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2174 - 2012-07-30 16:26:56 UTC
Biomassing would leave you losing your T2 catalyst skills. Ratting sec status is a painful experience, you need like 10 hours to make it back from a -3 or -4 to a manageable sec status that won't make you be shot on sight by faction police.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2175 - 2012-07-30 16:28:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The difference between 0.0 guys and highsec whiners is that we also have highsec alts and thus know what happens there, while you are completely clueless about how sov space works.


Yea? Your point beeing? I am a highsec miner by choice and I played like that for years... why should I care? Further, why should I be forced to mind advanced self defense tactics to fend of suicide gankers and PvP griefers in an environment that is supposed to be save for people that prefer my playstyle?

If it tip my toes in 0.5 without watching my back and get gate/station camped, that's my own fault... but other then that?

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2176 - 2012-07-30 16:29:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


I have seen a much less elitist and self entitled attitude when I received SirMolle's alliance mails (yeah I even had the venture of seeing my corp joining them Oops).
It's really true that you are going to be the new B(l)oB.


Point out where he is wrong.


When I endured my lone trip from Amarr to Stain, nowhere along the way I found a sign stating "VERBOTEN!" to being in a small NPC corp.

But hey, I was talking about risk / reward in 0.0 for various secs and sovs, I am not surprised you bunch always try to engross the OH SO HARD challenge of being in a blob with free replacements.

The CFC founders did all the risky work, the CFO and the "inner circle" do the maths and the hard work. The others enjoy the ride, for what I know you don't even have mandatory CTAs.

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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2177 - 2012-07-30 16:30:51 UTC
With threads like this one, I am really surprised fights do not break out at the yearly fanfest...
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2178 - 2012-07-30 16:30:51 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
...


Herr Wilkus, what is T1 shield resist profile if it isn't 0/50/40/20?
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2179 - 2012-07-30 16:32:52 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


I have seen a much less elitist and self entitled attitude when I received SirMolle's alliance mails (yeah I even had the venture of seeing my corp joining them Oops).
It's really true that you are going to be the new B(l)oB.


Point out where he is wrong.


When I endured my lone trip from Amarr to Stain, nowhere along the way I found a sign stating "VERBOTEN!" to being in a small NPC corp.

But hey, I was talking about risk / reward in 0.0 for various secs and sovs, I am not surprised you bunch always try to engross the OH SO HARD challenge of being in a blob with free replacements.

The CFC founders did all the risky work, the CFO and the "inner circle" do the maths and the hard work. The others enjoy the ride, for what I know you don't even have mandatory CTAs.


What, do you want every single one of us to have to clock 40 hours of work a week just to keep the privilege that is ratting for 40mil/hr in unsafe space? Of course the directors and logistics spergs do harder work than the line members. The point is that NPC null and highsec alliances don't even need anyone to do any of that work and don't need to foot 40 bil a month for sov bills because THEY DON'T EXIST.


Shalua Rui wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The difference between 0.0 guys and highsec whiners is that we also have highsec alts and thus know what happens there, while you are completely clueless about how sov space works.


Yea? Your point beeing? I am a highsec miner by choice and I played like that for years... why should I care? Further, why should I be forced to mind advanced self defense tactics to fend of suicide gankers and PvP griefers in an environment that is supposed to be save for people that prefer my playstyle?


My point is people like you should stop commenting with blatantly false ideas such as ''you can tank concord'' or ''Nullsec is fine you can rat for a billion an hour in sanctums''.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2180 - 2012-07-30 16:35:15 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


I have seen a much less elitist and self entitled attitude when I received SirMolle's alliance mails (yeah I even had the venture of seeing my corp joining them Oops).
It's really true that you are going to be the new B(l)oB.


Point out where he is wrong.


When I endured my lone trip from Amarr to Stain, nowhere along the way I found a sign stating "VERBOTEN!" to being in a small NPC corp.

But hey, I was talking about risk / reward in 0.0 for various secs and sovs, I am not surprised you bunch always try to engross the OH SO HARD challenge of being in a blob with free replacements.

The CFC founders did all the risky work, the CFO and the "inner circle" do the maths and the hard work. The others enjoy the ride, for what I know you don't even have mandatory CTAs.


He still isnt wrong.