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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2121 - 2012-07-30 15:39:54 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
I remember it being stated they get a 7.5% bonus to shield resists per level, is this still in place?


5% and base resists are T1.

So that's nowhere near T2 ships.


exhumers have always had t2 resists by virtue of, well, being t2 hulls

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2122 - 2012-07-30 15:40:58 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
"oh man i won't have NPCs fight my battles for me, THE HORROR"


Like tanking Concord is very difficult... L2P.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnjK5EVsIfI


Freezehunter wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier.


I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too.


That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

Back when I lived in Nullsec I could make 400mil-1.5 bil from running a single Sanctum.

If you did anomalies and escalations you could get rich FAST.

If you only make 60 mil per hour in 0.0 you are doing it VERY wrong.



Dear god I hope those two guys are trolls
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2123 - 2012-07-30 15:41:47 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:


and even if you do manage to get away with your ship, that's considered an exploit and gets you banned

get out with your "let me show you these 6 year old videos to prove my point" posts


How many got banned for using boomerang and then getting out?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2124 - 2012-07-30 15:42:28 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Dear god I hope those two guys are trolls


freezehunter was simply not up to date on "CCP didn't like people making ISK in nullsec so they nerfed sanctums to the ground and nobody does them anymore"

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2125 - 2012-07-30 15:43:21 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:

The Special Snowflake brick tank is required only to counter a special snowflake team of many T1 Dessies in .5 space. Anywhere else, you can fit a smaller tank and still be unprofitable.


Many T1 dessies is not a special snowflake at all.

2-3 of them is what every non rookie ganker use in 0.7 and below. Usually they don't use more as they seem to get bored and scale up to bigger hulls past 5 catalysts.


and generally they're not going to bother with a hulk that tanks 50k ehp from blasters because, you see, it tanks 50k ehp from blasters, and 66k if you have the hardeners preheated and fire them on when catalysts land


They don't bother with that hulk because the best harassment you can impose on a guy using such a stupid setup is to let him live and be useless forever.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2126 - 2012-07-30 15:43:25 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
How many got banned for using boomerang and then getting out?


anyone who did it after it was announced as an exploit, perhaps?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2127 - 2012-07-30 15:44:37 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
They don't bother with that hulk because the best harassment you can impose on a guy using such a ******** setup is to let him live and be useless forever.


yeah that worthless setup that mines 2213 m3/minute with orca bonuses and no implants and can survive 3 catalysts in 0.5

i'm sure all of the max-yield hulks laugh at him when they're dying every other day to solo catalysts in 0.7 because they totally have it all figured out

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2128 - 2012-07-30 15:44:42 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:



Dear god I hope those two guys are trolls


To elaborate:
Tanking Concord has been nerfed since 2006. You just can't.

And about nullsec income:
400mil from a Sanctum? That's about 10x too much. A Forsaken hub (9/10 anomaly) has maybe 25-30mil in bounties and 10m in loot and salvage. It takes an hour to run and salvage in a standard t2 drake/noctis.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2129 - 2012-07-30 15:46:26 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
How many got banned for using boomerang and then getting out?


anyone who did it after it was announced as an exploit, perhaps?


See the mentality I described above?

- "I will do whatever asinine till the guards stop me" (sadly now also prevalent in RL)

- "It is convenient to ignore that evading Concord was well forbidden well before boomerang got deemed as an exploit".

All those who did boomberang but then also evaded Concord (two separate acts) should all have been banned. But alas, they didn't.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2130 - 2012-07-30 15:46:59 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:



Dear god I hope those two guys are trolls


To elaborate:
Tanking Concord has been nerfed since 2006. You just can't.

And about nullsec income:
400mil from a Sanctum? That's about 10x too much. A Forsaken hub (9/10 anomaly) has maybe 25-30mil in bounties and 10m in loot and salvage. It takes an hour to run and salvage in a standard t2 drake/noctis.


people used to make mad money from sanctum running because the risk/reward of the game was pretty balanced

then CCP decided to nerf sanctums and introduce incursions which brought pre-nerf sanctum level income to the safety of hisec

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2131 - 2012-07-30 15:47:19 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
How many got banned for using boomerang and then getting out?


anyone who did it after it was announced as an exploit, perhaps?


See the mentality I described above?

- "I will do whatever asinine till the guards stop me" (sadly now also prevalent in RL)

- "It is convenient to ignore that evading Concord was well forbidden well before boomerang got deemed as an exploit".

All those who did boomberang but then also evaded Concord (two separate acts) should all have been banned. But alas, they didn't.


Technically speaking Boomerangs didn't evade concord. They eventually died to concord. They just delayed it.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2132 - 2012-07-30 15:48:38 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
They don't bother with that hulk because the best harassment you can impose on a guy using such a ******** setup is to let him live and be useless forever.


yeah that worthless setup that mines 2213 m3/minute with orca bonuses and no implants and can survive 3 catalysts in 0.5

i'm sure all of the max-yield hulks laugh at him when they're dying every other day to solo catalysts in 0.7 because they totally have it all figured out


They die maybe once every 3 weeks and only if they play AFK, don't delude yourself. In the mean time they make a substantial higher income than the guy sitting silly in his overtanked coffin and it covers possible losses.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2133 - 2012-07-30 15:48:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
See the mentality I described above?

- "I will do whatever asinine till the guards stop me" (sadly now also prevalent in RL)

- "It is convenient to ignore that evading Concord was well forbidden well before boomerang got deemed as an exploit".

All those who did boomberang but then also evaded Concord (two separate acts) should all have been banned. But alas, they didn't.


the only thing considered "evading concord" is killing something and keeping your ship

boomerang tornadoes were eventually blown up by concord, but the idea that you can kill a freighter with one tornado is just silly

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2134 - 2012-07-30 15:48:58 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Officer spawns cannot be soloed.


Mute audio...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yFf9MDP_M

Richard Desturned wrote:
exhumers have always had t2 resists by virtue of, well, being t2 hulls


Go to SiSi and check yourself if you don't believe.

1) Dowload: http://community.eveonline.com/download/?s=singularity
2) Log in
3) ???
4) Profit!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2135 - 2012-07-30 15:49:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
How many got banned for using boomerang and then getting out?


anyone who did it after it was announced as an exploit, perhaps?


See the mentality I described above?

- "I will do whatever asinine till the guards stop me" (sadly now also prevalent in RL)

- "It is convenient to ignore that evading Concord was well forbidden well before boomerang got deemed as an exploit".

All those who did boomberang but then also evaded Concord (two separate acts) should all have been banned. But alas, they didn't.


Technically speaking Boomerangs didn't evade concord. They eventually died to concord. They just delayed it.


No, a guy explicitly did experiments (that he promptly posted on GD!) at how he could perma evade Concord even on an Oracle.

After 15 minutes Concord just stopped chasing him iirc.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2136 - 2012-07-30 15:49:55 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Officer spawns cannot be soloed.


Mute audio...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yFf9MDP_M


Dec 20, 2010

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knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2137 - 2012-07-30 15:50:34 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier.


I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too.


That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

Back when I lived in Nullsec I could make 400mil-1.5 bil from running a single Sanctum.

If you did anomalies and escalations you could get rich FAST.

If you only make 60 mil per hour in 0.0 you are doing it VERY wrong.


Doesn't work like that any more. CCP is killing off nullsec. They've gone back to making it easier to make money in high sec level 4's or even Incursions.

I'm actually really disappointed in what CCP is doing, null sec is the only part of this game with anything content generating going on in it and they're continually either reducing the ISK generating aspects of it, adding in new mechanics which affect alliance level money generation without adding in member level money generation or adding in industry to null sec.

Nothing is made out in null apart from capitals. That has to change. Null has to be attracting people, not a 1 way ticket to bankruptcy.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#2138 - 2012-07-30 15:52:19 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Meh, relying on CCP to buff, nerf and otherwise pick sides in the gankers versus miners drama is bad design. Defending or killing miners really should be up to the players. IMO, CCP should have used the CrimeWatch overhaul to fix the ganking problem, specifically by making the criminal flag permanent. If you want to gank someone, go for it, but don't be surprised if the rest of the community/faction hunts you down, sanctions you, revokes your docking privileges, and denies access to station services for being such a twit.


Or lets just give those meanie head gankers a 30 day ban so you can mine in absolute safety

You're playing the wrong sodding game, mate
Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#2139 - 2012-07-30 15:52:39 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
SEC rating is not properly enforced.

Then enforce it. You're allowed to shoot any -5 or lower character you see. Go to a suicide-gank-heavy system, and sit in the belts with alpha boats/logistics/booster links for the miners.

Or are you saying you want NPCs to enforce it for you?



I never said that, nor implied it. Stop making **** up, troll.

-5 and lower are not the only ones ganking. Nice try though. SEC status is too easily changed.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2140 - 2012-07-30 15:54:55 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier.


I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too.


That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

Back when I lived in Nullsec I could make 400mil-1.5 bil from running a single Sanctum.

If you did anomalies and escalations you could get rich FAST.

If you only make 60 mil per hour in 0.0 you are doing it VERY wrong.


Doesn't work like that any more. CCP is killing off nullsec. They've gone back to making it easier to make money in high sec level 4's or even Incursions.

I'm actually really disappointed in what CCP is doing, null sec is the only part of this game with anything content generating going on in it and they're continually either reducing the ISK generating aspects of it, adding in new mechanics which affect alliance level money generation without adding in member level money generation or adding in industry to null sec.

Nothing is made out in null apart from capitals. That has to change. Null has to be attracting people, not a 1 way ticket to bankruptcy.


They shoud simply have made impossible to bot PvE in supercaps and similar other smart ideas.
Be glad CCP are not surgeons when cutting nerfs, they'd remove your appendix live and with a rusti machete.

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