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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#141 - 2012-07-30 02:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
Medium ASB overheated - 1606
Large ASB overheated with navy cap charges - 5577
X-large overheated with navy cap charges - 17446 (I think)

I had a blast killing a Hurricane in a Ferox the other day. Don't steal my joy. P
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#142 - 2012-07-30 02:50:30 UTC
you put guns and NOSs on a bhaalgorn.
you should feel bad...

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#143 - 2012-07-30 03:58:31 UTC
Hrett wrote:
I don't do math, but how many raw hp can an XL ASB boost with a full cap booster load? I would bet It's an obscene amount - probably the equal of quite a few LSE....

It takes an armor tank quite a bit of time to rep the amount of 1 1600RTP. How long does it take for an ASB to boost the amount of an LSE? How many LSE equivilants can it boost before it runs out of charges? I don't know the answer, but I would suspect that math is pretty telling. It's possible I'm wrong, but given the anecdotal evidence, I doubt it.


LSE = 2625 Raw HP
XL ASB = 980 Raw HP/cycle
L ASB = 390 Raw HP/cycle

XL ASB > 1 LSE at 12 seconds into the fight.
L ASB > 1 LSE at 28 seconds into the fight.

1600 II = 4200 Raw HP
2x LAR II = 1600 Raw HP/Cycle (800 ea)
1 LAR > 1600 II at 90 sec into the fight (fires at the end of the cycle)
2 LAR > 1600 II at 45 sec into the fight (fires at the end of the cycle)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kisogo Magellin
Kostura RnD
#144 - 2012-07-30 04:01:58 UTC
Test server
>test server

Roll that around for a while.

._.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-07-30 04:53:37 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hrett wrote:
I don't do math, but how many raw hp can an XL ASB boost with a full cap booster load? I would bet It's an obscene amount - probably the equal of quite a few LSE....

It takes an armor tank quite a bit of time to rep the amount of 1 1600RTP. How long does it take for an ASB to boost the amount of an LSE? How many LSE equivilants can it boost before it runs out of charges? I don't know the answer, but I would suspect that math is pretty telling. It's possible I'm wrong, but given the anecdotal evidence, I doubt it.


LSE = 2625 Raw HP
XL ASB = 980 Raw HP/cycle
L ASB = 390 Raw HP/cycle

XL ASB > 1 LSE at 12 seconds into the fight.
L ASB > 1 LSE at 28 seconds into the fight.

1600 II = 4200 Raw HP
2x LAR II = 1600 Raw HP/Cycle (800 ea)
1 LAR > 1600 II at 90 sec into the fight (fires at the end of the cycle)
2 LAR > 1600 II at 45 sec into the fight (fires at the end of the cycle)

-Liang


Thanks.

I am travelling, so I dont have eft here to make my own test fits, but people are reporting ~1600 dps tanks (with heat but no pills I think) on Cyclones and Ferox with one XL and one L ASB.

Its silly, IMHO.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#146 - 2012-07-30 04:58:09 UTC
Hrett wrote:

Thanks.

I am travelling, so I dont have eft here to make my own test fits, but people are reporting ~1600 dps tanks (with heat but no pills I think) on Cyclones and Ferox with one XL and one L ASB.

Its silly, IMHO.


1600 is an XL with heat, no pills, implants, or bonuses. The craziest thing about it is that it fits (no cap booster) and you can run the damn thing without capping out in 10 seconds. :)

-Liang

Ed: Oh, and you get your rig slots back because you don't have to burn them on cap safeguards.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2012-07-30 05:50:40 UTC
I really only fly armor active rep or shield buffer Gallente, but if a Neutron Talos wiill fit an XL asb +web+point+mwd + 3 extender rigs - then I might have to give that a try. ;)

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chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#148 - 2012-07-30 09:00:37 UTC
Adrenalinemax wrote:
Holy Crap, lemme get a 55 gallon drum, your tear ducts are in overload



Hey bro, I heard you filled up the drum with tears so I called in a truckload more for you. *sounds of flatbed truck backing up*
Pipa Porto
#149 - 2012-07-30 09:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Hrett wrote:
I really only fly armor active rep or shield buffer Gallente, but if a Neutron Talos wiill fit an XL asb +web+point+mwd + 3 extender rigs - then I might have to give that a try. ;)


I want to be very, very clear here. I do not advocate flying this fit. However. It does all the things you want.

Resist instead of Extender Rigs because :active:

(tbh, I'd prefer a Meta4 DC in the low and an ACR)

[Talos, ASB]

Co-Processor II
Power Diagnostic System II
Co-Processor II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Scrambler II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#150 - 2012-07-30 09:52:46 UTC
How can anyone get so mad over ship losses on SiSi? They cost 100 ISK :(
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#151 - 2012-07-30 10:43:26 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
also OP his "pathetic 150 dps **** fit" is apparently better than yours. You even have the lossmail to prove it.


150dps from missiles. The drones probably add 500 or more.
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#152 - 2012-07-30 10:56:19 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
also OP his "pathetic 150 dps **** fit" is apparently better than yours. You even have the lossmail to prove it.


150dps from missiles. The drones probably add 500 or more.


He said he killed off the drones and the missile dps killed him. I can't imagine how the rattler had enough cap charges in the cargo hold for it to sustain tank long enough even for a buffer fit bhaalgorn to finally die.
Freezehunter
#153 - 2012-07-30 11:50:14 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
also OP his "pathetic 150 dps **** fit" is apparently better than yours. You even have the lossmail to prove it.


150dps from missiles. The drones probably add 500 or more.


He said he killed off the drones and the missile dps killed him. I can't imagine how the rattler had enough cap charges in the cargo hold for it to sustain tank long enough even for a buffer fit bhaalgorn to finally die.



I had 15% left of my buffer until I managed to kill off all of his drones, because every time I popped one, another one would come out from his drone bay.

And a Rattlesnake can pump out 780 drone DPS+the 150-220 from cruise Missiles or Torps.

Add that to the ridiculous buffer and shield passive recharge+ ASB, and that thing is just ridiculous.

It will win not by DPS or buffer, but by chewing down your armor buffer slowly until you eventually die, because the son of a ***** is going from 5% to 100% shields every 40-60 seconds five times in a row.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#154 - 2012-07-30 12:03:06 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
also OP his "pathetic 150 dps **** fit" is apparently better than yours. You even have the lossmail to prove it.


150dps from missiles. The drones probably add 500 or more.


He said he killed off the drones and the missile dps killed him. I can't imagine how the rattler had enough cap charges in the cargo hold for it to sustain tank long enough even for a buffer fit bhaalgorn to finally die.



I had 15% left of my buffer until I managed to kill off all of his drones, because every time I popped one, another one would come out from his drone bay.

And a Rattlesnake can pump out 780 drone DPS+the 150-220 from cruise Missiles or Torps.

Add that to the ridiculous buffer and shield passive recharge+ ASB, and that thing is just ridiculous.

It will win not by DPS or buffer, but by chewing down your armor buffer slowly until you eventually die, because the son of a ***** is going from 5% to 100% shields every 40-60 seconds five times in a row.



How about fitting a repper next time? And maybe neuts instead of nos? That way you'd cap him out and his point would fail and you could warp off...
Pipa Porto
#155 - 2012-07-30 12:04:47 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:

How about fitting a repper next time? And maybe neuts instead of nos? That way you'd cap him out and his point would fail and you could warp off...


And his hardeners would fail, forcing him to boost constantly, and allowing you to kill him on the reload.

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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#156 - 2012-07-30 15:57:38 UTC
Bhaalgorn- Good at pinning the other guy down and cap him out, low dps for a battleship hull

Rattlesnake- Good at fitting passive-oriented tanks, can fire all weapons with no cap, can tank a large amount of damage


I don't really see why the op should have won this at all. The rattler could have done more or less the same thing with a regular XL booster.

thhief ghabmoef
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#157 - 2012-07-30 15:59:57 UTC
This thread is stupid.

Srs.

Sincerely, The Universe.
Eve Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#158 - 2012-07-30 17:06:44 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:

Crap damage types.
Crap tracking (when lasers IRL can shoot down missiles going mach 5)
Huge cap usage.


Meeeeh.


Enormous base Damage. (2 Heatsinks on a Hellcat give you ~900dps)
Fit on wonderful ships. Ships that are designed to deal with the Cap use.
Spectacular damage projection.

The damage types aren't really a problem either, since most people patch their holes (Therm is usually the heardest to patch, btw).


If Lasers are broken, why are Hellcats and AHAX fairly wonderful fleetcomps.


These **** talkers clearly have never flown either. They also don't realize that in general, lasers work best on shield ships. A lot of people don't patch that EM hole.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#159 - 2012-07-30 17:13:48 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
This thread is stupid.

Srs.

Sincerely, The Universe.

Not today spaghetti.
Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#160 - 2012-07-31 00:29:09 UTC
Ah, the classic "LOLLLL I TROLL U" defense for when you realize that your uninformed posts have been met with universal derision.