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EVE Ship-vs-Background graphic = "What is seen cannot be unseen"

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Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#1 - 2012-07-27 07:29:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
Edit: I've changed the title to reflect the excellent assistance of Corina and Abdiel They speak the truth.

1. Even I don't notice this very often, although I found it. However, it is there 24/7, in everyone's face that cares to look for it.

2. Concerning your ship as it floats in space or station, imagine someone holding up a picture of the Mona Lisa and waving it around in front of your face and telling you that's 3D.

3. One can't really detect this if one is moving... one must be absolutely still.

4. What really makes me mad is that CCP brags about how great all their improvements to missiles and ships and rebalancing and everything else are, but when it comes to the simple 3D graphic of my ship floating in space or station, they give me nothing more than a static image, wiggle it in front of my face and say, "3D, by design !!"

5. As far as I know, they are not going to fix it, and I know for a fact that it used to be realistic.

Now, it's a JOKE. A JOKE on anyone with half a brain and two good eyes.

...don't insult our intelligence, CCP.

Thanks,
Sub
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2012-07-27 13:14:24 UTC
Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar wrote:
1. Even I don't notice this very often, although I found it. However, it is there 24/7, in everyone's face that cares to look for it.

2. Concerning your ship as it floats in space or station, imagine someone holding up a picture of the Mona Lisa and waving it around in front of your face and telling you that's 3D.

3. One can't really detect this if one is moving... one must be absolutely still.

4. What really makes me mad is that CCP brags about how great all their improvements to missiles and ships and rebalancing and everything else are, but when it comes to the simple 3D graphic of my ship floating in space or station, they give me nothing more than a static image, wiggle it in front of my face and say, "3D, by design !!"

5. As far as I know, they are not going to fix it, and I know for a fact that it used to be realistic.

Now, it's a JOKE. A JOKE on anyone with half a brain and two good eyes.

...don't insult our intelligence, CCP.

Thanks,
Sub


Shut it pls! Omg these whiners. There are really tons of more important thingies.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#3 - 2012-07-27 15:41:07 UTC
@zloco - Glad you're immune to such mundane details as geometry and physics. You can use a cheaper computer that way. Obviously, however, this thread is not for you. Please refrain from posting here if you're not interested in improving this aspect of the game.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#4 - 2012-07-27 16:07:37 UTC
I'm so confused.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#5 - 2012-07-27 17:09:17 UTC
@Floppie It's simple really, Floppie. Imagine looking at two trees, one close, the other far away but directly behind the first one. If you move your head a tiny bit, the image of the far away tree shifts in relation to the closer tree.
Eve doesn't do that any more. They dumbed it down. It's like a painting of two trees... you move your head, but what you see is the same.
In Eve's case, the camera is "floating", not your head, but the result is the same.
Does this help?
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-07-27 20:03:08 UTC
We've finally found it, THE dumbest thread on the whole of the internet....

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Dusenman
Sensible People
Sigma Grindset
#7 - 2012-07-27 20:05:00 UTC
How about this, post some examples. Because I am lost.

GM Homonoia: In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total ***.

CCP Tallest_: _And by "we have made it so", I mean Punkturis has made it so.

Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#8 - 2012-07-27 20:30:15 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
We've finally found it, THE dumbest thread on the whole of the internet....


I don't think I like your attitude.
Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#9 - 2012-07-27 20:44:08 UTC
@Dusenman I understand how you might want something a little more concrete to help visualize what I'm saying, but
I would have to make a video or show you in person. Really, I think I gave an excellent example. Sometime when your ship is just sitting still, look at the way the picture on your screen slowy wobbles around. In real life, if it did that you would see things behind your ship as the camera wobbled. It used to work properly, but they broke it and now they claim it is "by design".
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#10 - 2012-07-27 23:32:48 UTC
Its a video game...get over it.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-07-27 23:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
No clue what you are referring to. Last check I was still getting different views of the objects in a scene when the camera was rotated and the perspectives of the objects present were shifting properly.

Edit: No wait. I think I misunderstood. Basically this is a complaint about the static skybox right?
Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#12 - 2012-07-28 00:30:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
@Tyberius .... well I think you've got it, yes... you know how when you look at the screen, the ship and the background slowly move together? Is that the static skybox you mean? When they put in captain's quarters, that is when they broke it. Before that, the ship floated, not the background.

Although I'd like them to make it right, they have thus far maintained they will NOT fix it. So fine, it's their MMO and it's hardly noticeable anyway. I'm just trying to find another living soul that recognizes the problem and actually agrees that it stinks, and if I'm lucky maybe even remembers how it used to be, LOL.
Kitt JT
True North.
#13 - 2012-07-28 22:40:03 UTC
dude. what are you talking about
Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#14 - 2012-07-29 03:29:44 UTC
Kitt JT wrote:
dude. what are you talking about

(if you're still interested, convo me sometime and I'll try to walk you through seeing it on your own screen... maybe 5 minutes time, hopefully less)
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-07-29 04:29:38 UTC
Its called the Parallax effect.

If your drone camera moves 200meters and the object you're looking at is 30 km away like a ship or 3000 km away like a planet then you wont see a damn thing. What you see on the screen in Eve is absolutely correct.

If you want I can explain it in American units too.

Good call Grath
Americe Zane
The Lucky Punx
#16 - 2012-07-29 08:44:23 UTC
It seems like what is being discussed isn't something that a lot of people notice as being wrong. If it were a big issue, I am sure most people in this thread would immediately understand what the OP is talking about.

All in all, it is possible that there are bigger issues that need to be addressed.
Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#17 - 2012-07-29 09:38:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
@ThisIsntMyMain - Ah, thank you for that... parallax. I did a little checking and found this, which describes (and has a little video loop too) what I'm talking about. Perhaps at the distance of 30km to the ship what you are saying is credible, but I am not referring to anywhere near that far. I'm talking about the distance from the camera to a battleship in a station, or fairly close to the ship in space. In those circumstances, I think the parallax video might just convince someone that the eve drone camera movement with ship and background moving exactly together may be questionable.
Wikipedia parallax page

Thanks for the tip.

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Edit: I just went in-game, in-station and pulled my battleship up as close as I could, and using one of the sharp points of the ship and an exact spot on the station background, observed the changes between the two. I am now convinced more than ever that my original assessment was correct, and now I have a name for it.

The Eve ship to Eve background relationship has no parallax.

Again, not a serious issue... but it's wrong, very wrong.

What amazes me the most is that (so far, at least) not even one human being out there seems to agree with me.

...and obviously a number of peeps don't think much of my post at all.

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Skogen Gump
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-07-29 11:29:10 UTC
I think what he's trying to say is that when the camera wobbles, you don't see the orientation of objects in the distance change.

If you're standing in front of a large cube that's got one of its corners closest to you, you should see both sides of the cube yes?
Move your head to the left and you'll see more of the left side and less of the right; and vice versa.

I believe he's saying that he doesn't like it because that doesn't happen in eve.

I've only been around since 2003 in one form or another, but I can't remember that ever happening. Unless he's referring to the NVidia 3D vision thing which eve used to support ?
Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#19 - 2012-07-29 11:55:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
@Sko Hmm, I am uncertain, but I don't believe it was the Nvidia 3d vision. Although I have Nvidia based graphics cards, I never really used the 3d vision software part. I think you needed special glasses or something, is that right?
I really wish you could remember how it used to be before they replaced the spinning in stations with captains quarters. Back then there was parallax, or no, perhaps it was just that the station background didn't move, the ship floated, and as it floated you could see different parts of the background behind it.. I remember it like it was yesterday.
Oh well, maybe someone will remember... until then... I feel like I'm in an episode of the twilight zone.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#20 - 2012-07-29 20:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Are you referring to the Depth of Field effect? Where it changes what appears to be the focus of the image?

Just trying to get an understanding of which "3d" you are referring to.


edit: also, what your seeing may be the side effect of the game not having full V3 stuff yet.
Perhaps there is a visual blend issue with the old shaders and effects and the new ones. If this is the case, we just have to wait for them to finish the updated stuff.
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