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Who owns the rights to our avatar images?
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Vhan
Scalebane Syndicate
#1 - 2012-07-29 02:47:18 UTC
Does CCP own the rights to our avatar images or do we, since we created them?

I want to know, because I want to put some of my avatar images into a game I'm making as easter eggs. :)
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#2 - 2012-07-29 02:57:31 UTC
CCP's engine, CCP's game.

I'd imagine its just like everything else in EVE - property of CCP. You'd get yourself sued if you were selling the game.
Vhan
Scalebane Syndicate
#3 - 2012-07-29 03:13:00 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
CCP's engine, CCP's game.

I'd imagine its just like everything else in EVE - property of CCP. You'd get yourself sued if you were selling the game.


Looked into this further...

EULA has this in Section 10. B. Paragraph 1:

"You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved."

I'm guessing "result of play" also governs character creation. Ah well. I would have to get permission to use my avatar images, it seems.

Also, this makes using them elsewhere (such as kill boards, eve faces, etc) against the EULA without permission.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#4 - 2012-07-29 03:19:40 UTC
Vhan wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
CCP's engine, CCP's game.

I'd imagine its just like everything else in EVE - property of CCP. You'd get yourself sued if you were selling the game.


Looked into this further...

EULA has this in Section 10. B. Paragraph 1:

"You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved."

I'm guessing "result of play" also governs character creation. Ah well. I would have to get permission to use my avatar images, it seems.

Also, this makes using them elsewhere (such as kill boards, eve faces, etc) against the EULA without permission.


This sort of rule tends to be specific to using them for profit. I'm no lawyer, but a killboard does not make a profit and thus should be cool.

Not sure if it is the law itself or the standard enforcement.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-07-29 04:13:12 UTC
Vhan wrote:
Also, this makes using them elsewhere (such as kill boards, eve faces, etc) against the EULA without permission.


I believe this would fall under fair use.

(IANAL)
Gun Gal
Dark Club
#6 - 2012-07-29 04:16:57 UTC
the only good thing bout internet lawyers, is that, um, ...................OK, there is nothing good about lazy arse people that think the world owes them something..
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-07-29 04:38:23 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
the only good thing bout internet lawyers, is that, um, ...................OK, there is nothing good about lazy arse people that think the world owes them something..


so then you think you should make money of someone idea that you had nothing to do with. now thats lasy.

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-07-29 04:43:16 UTC
With an avatar like that I wouldn't worry.



ohwai...

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#9 - 2012-07-29 04:44:24 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:


(IANAL)


Seems like a inappropriate signature...

Now with 100% less Troll.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-07-29 04:45:11 UTC
File a petition and ask. There's even a petition field specific to EULA & TOS questions. They even get answered faster than Exploit or Combat category class petitions looking at my own queue.

GMs are there for more than just reimbursement petitions, they're the final say on any rule issues you may have.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#11 - 2012-07-29 04:53:49 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:


(IANAL)


Seems like a inappropriate signature...

You can tell by the avatar's expression he likes that
hermerdoo
Keep On Trucking Baby
Ligma Grindset
#12 - 2012-08-02 06:35:41 UTC
So would it be fair to say.. If you get permission from CCP, then it should be all good. Never hurts to ask either way.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#13 - 2012-08-02 10:34:32 UTC
Why am I reminded of Fenella the Kettle Witch when looking at the OPs avatar?

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
namron 7
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-08-02 10:40:17 UTC
I use this avatar as my facebook page so that i can pretend to be really gay and annoy my overly macho underclass family.


Is there a legal issue here?

Thanks for the help