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CCP Should Do To Everyone Else What They Did To Miners

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-07-28 09:19:53 UTC
Xython wrote:
Except to compete with the Bot Miners, you have to either:

1. Bot Mine
2. Play like a Bot.

And rather than disrupt this cycle in any way, CCP is pandering to the bots. Again.

As for the "Nullsec alliances don't use bots" claptrap, here's the important difference between Nullsec and Highsec Botters:

When a Nullsec idiot is botting, he's shot. Often by blues. Because he's botting and AFK, he's easy pickings. His **** is taken from him, sold or used elsewhere, and when he comes back to the keyboard he's either the subject of mockery or outright kicked from the corp he's in.

When a Highsec idiot is botting, a magical super-ship police force shows up to protect him. Now, the community can still deal with these idiots, but only at a large investment of time and ships -- and the ships have to be replaced, which directly supports the ecosystem that causes the botters in the first place.

Oh, and did I mention that CCP seem to be hell bent on making this magical super-ship police force stronger, and making the bots even harder to kill? Why? Because the botters pay for 23+ accounts and they're worth more than us.


How much your ratting bots make per hour? 1b?

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129

Deal with it.
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-07-28 09:20:51 UTC
Tears, they make me stronger.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-07-28 09:25:51 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
How much your ratting bots make per hour? 1b?

Deal with it.


Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-07-28 09:35:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Xython wrote:
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.


According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#65 - 2012-07-28 09:45:26 UTC
While everyone allowed to demand whatever they want - I want t2 logisitcs frigates.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-07-28 09:54:14 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
While everyone allowed to demand whatever they want - I want t2 logisitcs frigates.


http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129
Random Celestial
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-07-28 09:56:30 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.


According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.


Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?
Dave Stark
#68 - 2012-07-28 10:02:44 UTC
Random Celestial wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.


According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.


Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?


yeah, tech prices are ******* insane.
Manar Detri
#69 - 2012-07-28 10:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Manar Detri
Random Celestial wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.


According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.


Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?


So lemme get this straight. It is wrong that a procurer can get 70kehp while costing 15 mil and a damnation only gets only 260kehp for 215 mil.

But it's ok that a 3x 10 mil catalyst can gank a 300 mil well tanked hulk?:P

So whats your take on the augoror which costs 4 mill but gets overe 60k ehp?
Random Celestial
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2012-07-28 10:11:41 UTC
Manar Detri wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.


According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.


Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?


So lemme get this straight. It is wrong that a procurer can get 70kehp while costing 15 mil and a damnation only gets only 260kehp for 215 mil.

But it's ok that a 3x 10 mil catalyst can gank a 300 mil well tanked hulk?:P



the ehp/isk ratio is way off.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#71 - 2012-07-28 10:13:31 UTC
just skill up your char get a friend or 2 and there u go u can gank whatever u want. It was just too easy atm to grief miners.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Manar Detri
#72 - 2012-07-28 10:13:37 UTC
Random Celestial wrote:


the ehp/isk ratio is way off.


So lets rebalance allships aroud the costs shall we? The tank, dps and velocitys will for now on be bought with isk. If you want some extra you can use some aurums to buff it up abit more.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#73 - 2012-07-28 10:31:40 UTC
like the old man said

No cry !!

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Random Celestial
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-07-28 10:38:53 UTC
Manar Detri wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:


the ehp/isk ratio is way off.


So lets rebalance allships aroud the costs shall we? The tank, dps and velocitys will for now on be bought with isk. If you want some extra you can use some aurums to buff it up abit more.


Variation is good, but extreme outliers as what are being created now only come from an extreme lack of consideration for balance.

Wait until it goes live, if it does, and I am certain this will be made abundantly clear.

I'm just saying that it would nice if the DEVs looked at production requirements when making vast changes to ships.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-07-28 10:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Random Celestial wrote:
Variation is good, but extreme outliers as what are being created now only come from an extreme lack of consideration for balance.

Wait until it goes live, if it does, and I am certain this will be made abundantly clear.

I'm just saying that it would nice if the DEVs looked at production requirements when making vast changes to ships.


And again...

If you want to gank Retrievers and Macks after the patch get friends. EVE is a MMO game.
Dave Stark
#76 - 2012-07-28 10:44:30 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
Variation is good, but extreme outliers as what are being created now only come from an extreme lack of consideration for balance.

Wait until it goes live, if it does, and I am certain this will be made abundantly clear.

I'm just saying that it would nice if the DEVs looked at production requirements when making vast changes to ships.


And again...

If you want to gank Retrievers and Macks after the patch get friends. EVE is a MMO game.


or bring a bigger ship.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#77 - 2012-07-28 10:45:18 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pisov viet wrote:
Well, maybe because they are.

If miners wanted to be able to fit their ship by themselve, maybe they shouldnt have created dozens of threads on the forums on the "I cant fit my ship to save my life" variation.


http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129

Seriously, when was the last time you saw Procurer mining in hisec and you didn't laugh?


I have seen 1 in 4 years.

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Manar Detri
#78 - 2012-07-28 10:45:29 UTC
Random Celestial wrote:
Manar Detri wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:


the ehp/isk ratio is way off.


So lets rebalance allships aroud the costs shall we? The tank, dps and velocitys will for now on be bought with isk. If you want some extra you can use some aurums to buff it up abit more.


Variation is good, but extreme outliers as what are being created now only come from an extreme lack of consideration for balance.

Wait until it goes live, if it does, and I am certain this will be made abundantly clear.

I'm just saying that it would nice if the DEVs looked at production requirements when making vast changes to ships.

I completely agree in making all mining barges around same cost and same with exhumers. This ofcourse also to be added for frigates, cruisers and soforth as the tiericide goes on. The problem of new players gaining access to ships after increased costs would be easily tackled by having tutorial missions award one t1 cruiser, one t1 frigate and one t1 mining barge/mining frigate. Those missions would ofcourse be later on in the tutorials for the cruisers and mining barge. This would give new playeres easy access to see what those ships are before having abundance of resources to pour in them.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#79 - 2012-07-28 10:49:50 UTC
Xython wrote:

As for the "Nullsec alliances don't use bots" claptrap, here's the important difference between Nullsec and Highsec Botters:

When a Nullsec idiot is botting, he's shot. Often by blues. Because he's botting and AFK, he's easy pickings. His **** is taken from him, sold or used elsewhere, and when he comes back to the keyboard he's either the subject of mockery or outright kicked from the corp he's in.



When a nullsec idiot is botting, he's in a blued renter alliance where everybody know about him and pretend to look the other side. All the land owners care about are the billions they can monthly charge to close 1, 2 and even 3 eyes.

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Kyra Yaken
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-07-28 13:11:03 UTC