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100NM AB/ASB Gila
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Chisu Chroma
WYAL
#1 - 2012-07-26 21:28:07 UTC
Would like some of the better theorycrafters to pick this setup apart for improvement. It is intended for PVE mainly Gurista.
I just wanted to see if you could make a viable fit for a Gila with a 100mn AB.

Light missiles due to fitting, the 100mn ab eats most of the pg, but with 4 drone dmg mods a flight of ogre's should do 756dps with lvl4 drone spec 770 with lvl 5. The web and painter are there to help the ogres deal with frigs so I wouldn't need to swap drones. A meta 4 point fits on it as well for pvp but I'd think there would be better fits/ship to take into pvp instead of this since its barely cap stable and one neut would ruin its day.

100mn AB speed is 1076 m/s a 10mn MWD would get this fit to 1521 m/s

[Gila, ASB]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 100
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Target Painter II
Stasis Webifier II
100MN Afterburner II

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Light Missile
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Ogre II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-07-26 22:06:47 UTC
For ratting you probably won't even need the shield booster. I ratted in Syndicate for about a year in an old style nano PVP Ishtar and it worked great. For missions, I don't know... seems kinda inefficient (but maybe fun?). :)

As for PVP, I recently tried a 100mn Ishtar and it didn't work out nearly as well in practice as I'd expected. I just wasn't able to apply DPS effectively because the fight is so mobile. Sentries are quickly useless and heavies damn sure ain't keeping up. Mediums/Lights might, but the DPS output is low. Sadly, drone nav comps + lights also don't work out because your drones just ******* miss all the time.

You could argue it was because I took sentry fire by trying to engage a dozen people in command ships and battleships by myself, but obviously it was the ship's fault. Anyway, I made it out in (deep) structure after a few minutes. ;-)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Chisu Chroma
WYAL
#3 - 2012-07-26 22:59:02 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
For ratting you probably won't even need the shield booster. I ratted in Syndicate for about a year in an old style nano PVP Ishtar and it worked great. For missions, I don't know... seems kinda inefficient (but maybe fun?). :)

As for PVP, I recently tried a 100mn Ishtar and it didn't work out nearly as well in practice as I'd expected. I just wasn't able to apply DPS effectively because the fight is so mobile. Sentries are quickly useless and heavies damn sure ain't keeping up. Mediums/Lights might, but the DPS output is low. Sadly, drone nav comps + lights also don't work out because your drones just ******* miss all the time.

You could argue it was because I took sentry fire by trying to engage a dozen people in command ships and battleships by myself, but obviously it was the ship's fault. Anyway, I made it out in (deep) structure after a few minutes. ;-)

-Liang


Just the person I'd hope would see this and respond.
Yeah I don't mission that often so when I do I go for ships that I find fun to fly and not necessarily the most efficient ones, been flying assault frigs mostly lately.
I agree with 1k speed shouldn't need to tank much but the ASB is for when I f-up and get webbed by a frig or a spider drone.
Noisrevbus
#4 - 2012-07-27 03:16:52 UTC
Here's a couple of more pointers:

- Try DP over 100mn, your tactic is generally much more stop-and-go while 100mn require a continous flow. That's not to say you can't 100mn a drone-boat, you can. If you like Liang see the risk of balancing flow to drone movement a DP setup might be more in your pace.

- Learn to adapt drones, that's also in line with what Liang brought up with smaller drones, and with the natural flow. One of the upsides of a drone-boat is that you are never caught with your pants fully down. You can adapt and overcome, even if you are put in a suboptimal position. Learn to use the MWD to build range and the AB to maintain position. Learn to use mediums on the fly (with the mwd) and sentries in position with AB.

- The new drone amps are nice, they can be awesome on certain ships and setups, but don't forget that drones were initially dimensioned without them and your damage is not useless if you look at other options (such as tracking links etc.). On paper, the DPS of a pack of Hammerheads may seem low, but consider actual DPS from position and perhaps some additional highslots ontop in the crunch, and that DPS isn't really as poor as one may belive (especially not your dps-to-tank compared to your target, from the position you can maintain him in). That last bit was a bit complicated, so let me give you an example: old Vagabonds rarely pushed above 300 dps in their "optimal", yet managed near 600 dps in "crunch". The idea here is similar.

- If you decide on 100mn, learn to work a balance in the tank and sig-speed relative. The reason 100mn is considered good is that relative, so don't go overboard on one feature of the ship. Don't put other modules in deep diminish when you can still improve your conventional tank (because you have none) or push your mobility up. You want a sweetspot total, not any extremes as the propmod and it's required fitting is extreme to begin with.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#5 - 2012-07-27 05:30:39 UTC
I want a prop mod for speed. So if the 10 MN MWD is faster, it's what I would fit. Especially for Guristas ...who always fly the other direction.
If that would allow extra grid to fit heavies, all the better. Or a large ASB, or both ?
I do like the stats on the Ogre's. Impressive, I never knew.

Would you need all the CCC rigs with the 10 mn?
Chisu Chroma
WYAL
#6 - 2012-07-28 00:30:36 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
I want a prop mod for speed. So if the 10 MN MWD is faster, it's what I would fit. Especially for Guristas ...who always fly the other direction.
If that would allow extra grid to fit heavies, all the better. Or a large ASB, or both ?
I do like the stats on the Ogre's. Impressive, I never knew.

Would you need all the CCC rigs with the 10 mn?

It can run the 10nm MWD for 3min 50 sec with just the hardeners running, 2 min 20 sec with the painter/web
Anyways I am scraping this fit, tried it out on a Gurista's extravaganza and it had issues with the sentry guns, sacrificing too much for the 100mn AB, I think I will work on a dual ASB fit that keeps all 4 drone dmg amps.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#7 - 2012-07-28 00:38:04 UTC
Chisu Chroma wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
I want a prop mod for speed. So if the 10 MN MWD is faster, it's what I would fit. Especially for Guristas ...who always fly the other direction.
If that would allow extra grid to fit heavies, all the better. Or a large ASB, or both ?
I do like the stats on the Ogre's. Impressive, I never knew.

Would you need all the CCC rigs with the 10 mn?

It can run the 10nm MWD for 3min 50 sec with just the hardeners running, 2 min 20 sec with the painter/web
Anyways I am scraping this fit, tried it out on a Gurista's extravaganza and it had issues with the sentry guns, sacrificing too much for the 100mn AB, I think I will work on a dual ASB fit that keeps all 4 drone dmg amps.


Ah, that's a shame. GE is a tough mission with lots of aggro - it's not terribly surprising that it didn't work out there. Let me know how the dual ASB fit goes. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Chisu Chroma
WYAL
#8 - 2012-07-28 01:07:43 UTC
Well here is idea number one for a dual ASB/10mn MWD.

Speed is 1605 m/s stable at 30% but it gives up all its utility mids.
[Gila, ASB]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 100
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 100
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Light Missile
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Dynamic Fuel Valve I
Medium Dynamic Fuel Valve II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Ogre II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2012-07-28 05:32:52 UTC
I dunno, I feel like nearly all the point of fitting the 100mn ab would be damage reduction and the sig bloom on the 10mn mwd would mostly cancel that out. then again 100mn + sentries sounds awfully annoying.

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Saile Litestrider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-28 11:33:01 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
As for PVP, I recently tried a 100mn Ishtar and it didn't work out nearly as well in practice as I'd expected. I just wasn't able to apply DPS effectively because the fight is so mobile. Sentries are quickly useless and heavies damn sure ain't keeping up. Mediums/Lights might, but the DPS output is low. Sadly, drone nav comps + lights also don't work out because your drones just ******* miss all the time.

Just a question on this fit, did you look at fitting nav computers and an omnidirectional tracker or two? Those work on standard drones don't they?

Anyway, I haven't tried a 100mn, but I ran a gila with twin ASBs and a standard prop mod for a while, and I'll warn you, my main thought during that experience was "oh gosh, where'd my cargohold go, there were lots of boosters here just a minute earlier". It doesn't have an unusually small cargohold for a cruiser, but it is still pretty darn small.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#11 - 2012-07-28 19:10:49 UTC
Saile Litestrider wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
As for PVP, I recently tried a 100mn Ishtar and it didn't work out nearly as well in practice as I'd expected. I just wasn't able to apply DPS effectively because the fight is so mobile. Sentries are quickly useless and heavies damn sure ain't keeping up. Mediums/Lights might, but the DPS output is low. Sadly, drone nav comps + lights also don't work out because your drones just ******* miss all the time.

Just a question on this fit, did you look at fitting nav computers and an omnidirectional tracker or two? Those work on standard drones don't they?

Anyway, I haven't tried a 100mn, but I ran a gila with twin ASBs and a standard prop mod for a while, and I'll warn you, my main thought during that experience was "oh gosh, where'd my cargohold go, there were lots of boosters here just a minute earlier". It doesn't have an unusually small cargohold for a cruiser, but it is still pretty darn small.


Yes, and the outcome of that was that Warrior IIs could no longer hit an interceptor...

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-07-29 07:54:42 UTC
I have a 100MN AB ASB Gila fit for PVP, and its awesome.

I can't comment on PVE fits seeing as they all look terrible to me.

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