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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#281 - 2012-07-27 15:31:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Denidil
Sarmatiko wrote:
Janet Patton wrote:
Do Exhumers have 100% EM resistance now?

http://pastebin.com/fnuau8HH


IIRC shieldEmDamageResonance: 1.0 = 0% of EM resistance. With the skill lvl V you will have resistances closer to current Exhumer basic resistances.


i'll update my pyfa and see what it says.

[edit]
pyfa says it is a multiplier.. so you're right.. 1.0 = 0% resist

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Infinite Force
#282 - 2012-07-27 15:31:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinite Force
Dave stark wrote:
Infinite Force wrote:
Sorry, the "use orca for your crystals" has no substance to the argument. One could just as easily argue that you need a dedicated Crystal hauler in an industrial.


it wouldn't be so bad but not every one can just pull things out of an orca's hangar. if you're juggling several accounts this can be a pain in the back side.


unrelated to the above; i just read about the mining crystal changes. does any one have the t2 strip miner stats handy? because if i'm not mistaken they have a 50m3 cargo capacity, for current t2 crystals, if t2 crystals are now 25m3, can we load 2 crystals per strip?

That would be interesting? Like POS guns - a crystal breaks, a new one is "auto-loaded"?
Or, mine twice as much? ... hehehe

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Adrenalinemax
Lap Dancers
Brothers of Tangra
#283 - 2012-07-27 15:32:12 UTC
Just playing on SiSi, seems they change shield resists for exhumers from 5% to 7.5% per level of mining barge

naked hulk em resist 0%
jump in with mining barge 5 pilot - 25% em resist

either the ship is wrong or the description is wrong...

anyone else see this?
Dave stark
#284 - 2012-07-27 15:36:30 UTC
Infinite Force wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Infinite Force wrote:
Sorry, the "use orca for your crystals" has no substance to the argument. One could just as easily argue that you need a dedicated Crystal hauler in an industrial.


it wouldn't be so bad but not every one can just pull things out of an orca's hangar. if you're juggling several accounts this can be a pain in the back side.


unrelated to the above; i just read about the mining crystal changes. does any one have the t2 strip miner stats handy? because if i'm not mistaken they have a 50m3 cargo capacity, for current t2 crystals, if t2 crystals are now 25m3, can we load 2 crystals per strip?

That would be interesting? Like POS guns - a crystal breaks, a new one is "auto-loaded"?
Or, mine twice as much? ... hehehe


well mining crystals auto reload anyway (they just don't automatically re-start the module)
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#285 - 2012-07-27 15:40:20 UTC
Adrenalinemax wrote:
Just playing on SiSi, seems they change shield resists for exhumers from 5% to 7.5% per level of mining barge

naked hulk em resist 0%
jump in with mining barge 5 pilot - 25% em resist

either the ship is wrong or the description is wrong...

anyone else see this?


that was there a few days ago too. Because of the lack of mid slots i beleive thats by design.


In regards to the Crystal changes.

Strip miner capacity has also been halved.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#286 - 2012-07-27 15:42:05 UTC
these resist changes are bad, and CCP should feel bad.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Dave stark
#287 - 2012-07-27 15:43:58 UTC
Annette Aumer wrote:
Adrenalinemax wrote:
Just playing on SiSi, seems they change shield resists for exhumers from 5% to 7.5% per level of mining barge

naked hulk em resist 0%
jump in with mining barge 5 pilot - 25% em resist

either the ship is wrong or the description is wrong...

anyone else see this?


that was there a few days ago too. Because of the lack of mid slots i beleive thats by design.


In regards to the Crystal changes.

Strip miner capacity has also been halved.


that answers my double loading crystals then, i was hoping to steal some more space by double loading.
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#288 - 2012-07-27 15:47:40 UTC
Denidil wrote:
these resist changes are bad, and CCP should feel bad.


Why?

Its how they're adding the more tank to the Exhumers.

You'll have Barge V to be able to fly an exhumer which gives you 25% EM resist in your shield. it gives you a more balanced shield without having to sacrifice too many mid slots?

or am I needing to L2P?
Jake Rivers
New Planetary Order
#289 - 2012-07-27 15:48:43 UTC
Sheynan wrote:
...this will never end cause I want more, more give me more, give me more...

*whistles*


No one is asking for more, just to be able to have the same selection we currently lug around in the hulk.

15-20 crystals is not an unreasonable amount to have on hand, I carry this many on each of my 3 hulks when I am mining, and I try to vary the types between each hulk.

Senex Legio
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#290 - 2012-07-27 15:50:43 UTC
Jake Rivers wrote:
Sheynan wrote:
...this will never end cause I want more, more give me more, give me more...

*whistles*


No one is asking for more, just to be able to have the same selection we currently lug around in the hulk.

15-20 crystals is not an unreasonable amount to have on hand, I carry this many on each of my 3 hulks when I am mining, and I try to vary the types between each hulk.


so a reduction to 20m3 for the T2 crystals will see you happy at 17 crystals in a hulks cargohold if i'm reading that right.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#291 - 2012-07-27 15:55:10 UTC
Adrenalinemax wrote:
Just playing on SiSi, seems they change shield resists for exhumers from 5% to 7.5% per level of mining barge

naked hulk em resist 0%
jump in with mining barge 5 pilot - 25% em resist

either the ship is wrong or the description is wrong...

anyone else see this?

It looks like the ship is finally right for the old description, but not synchronised to the new description yet.

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Dave stark
#292 - 2012-07-27 15:56:24 UTC
Annette Aumer wrote:
Jake Rivers wrote:
Sheynan wrote:
...this will never end cause I want more, more give me more, give me more...

*whistles*


No one is asking for more, just to be able to have the same selection we currently lug around in the hulk.

15-20 crystals is not an unreasonable amount to have on hand, I carry this many on each of my 3 hulks when I am mining, and I try to vary the types between each hulk.


so a reduction to 20m3 for the T2 crystals will see you happy at 17 crystals in a hulks cargohold if i'm reading that right.


14 crystals @ 25m3, not 20m3.
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#293 - 2012-07-27 15:59:41 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Annette Aumer wrote:
Jake Rivers wrote:
Sheynan wrote:
...this will never end cause I want more, more give me more, give me more...

*whistles*


No one is asking for more, just to be able to have the same selection we currently lug around in the hulk.

15-20 crystals is not an unreasonable amount to have on hand, I carry this many on each of my 3 hulks when I am mining, and I try to vary the types between each hulk.


so a reduction to 20m3 for the T2 crystals will see you happy at 17 crystals in a hulks cargohold if i'm reading that right.


14 crystals @ 25m3, not 20m3.


Dave. I love you but learn to read. I wasn't quoting at 25m3. i was answering the guy who wanted between 15-20 crystals like he already can. so i fiddled the numbers and found that 350m3 divided by 20 would give you 17 (17.5 but you can't buy halfcrystals)

and basically asked him if the crystals WERE 20m3 would he be happy.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#294 - 2012-07-27 16:00:35 UTC
Annette Aumer wrote:
Denidil wrote:
these resist changes are bad, and CCP should feel bad.


Why?

Its how they're adding the more tank to the Exhumers.

You'll have Barge V to be able to fly an exhumer which gives you 25% EM resist in your shield. it gives you a more balanced shield without having to sacrifice too many mid slots?

or am I needing to L2P?


my reaction was based off pyfa tank numbers.. tank went down

problem is pyfa isn't applying their resist bonuses.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Dave stark
#295 - 2012-07-27 16:05:24 UTC
Annette Aumer wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Annette Aumer wrote:
Jake Rivers wrote:
Sheynan wrote:
...this will never end cause I want more, more give me more, give me more...

*whistles*


No one is asking for more, just to be able to have the same selection we currently lug around in the hulk.

15-20 crystals is not an unreasonable amount to have on hand, I carry this many on each of my 3 hulks when I am mining, and I try to vary the types between each hulk.


so a reduction to 20m3 for the T2 crystals will see you happy at 17 crystals in a hulks cargohold if i'm reading that right.


14 crystals @ 25m3, not 20m3.


Dave. I love you but learn to read. I wasn't quoting at 25m3. i was answering the guy who wanted between 15-20 crystals like he already can. so i fiddled the numbers and found that 350m3 divided by 20 would give you 17 (17.5 but you can't buy halfcrystals)

and basically asked him if the crystals WERE 20m3 would he be happy.


i haven't had my afternoon nap, it's too warm to sleep.

:(
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#296 - 2012-07-27 16:08:32 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


i haven't had my afternoon nap, it's too warm to sleep.

:(


haha no worries, I know the feeling. It will soon be hometime for me. Or more accurately "go to a beergarden to enjoy whats left of the sunshine as you've been working in an office all day" but its not quite as catchy.
Noslen Nosilla
Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate
United Interests
#297 - 2012-07-27 16:34:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Noslen Nosilla
So the cargohold on all mining barges is 350m3 except the Covetor which still has the 500m3 cargohold.Oops all the exhumers have a 350m3 cargohold now.
T1 Crystals 15m3 now
T2 Crystals 25m3 now

You still can't fit more than 13 T2 crystals in the Hulk cargohold because you have to have the empty space of one crystal to change a crystal out.

Hmmm.

Be polite.

Be professional.

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Dave stark
#298 - 2012-07-27 16:36:23 UTC
Noslen Nosilla wrote:
So the cargohold on all mining barges is 350m3 except the Covetor which still has the 500m3 cargohold. all the exhumers have a 350m3 cargohold now.
T1 Crystals 15m3 now
T2 Crystals 25m3 now

Hmmm.Oops


it would seem so.

which means the 350 on the hulk is an oversight, or the covetor having 500m3 is an oversight.
Jake Rivers
New Planetary Order
#299 - 2012-07-27 17:17:15 UTC
Ideally having a full set of crystals with room for a few spares would be nice, then you wouldn't have to bother swapping out crystals before you dock each time to tailor your mining for the belt you are going after, I know myself this takes about 10-15 minutes each time I set up for a mining op with my fleet. When I get home and decide I want to mine, I want to jump right in, not micromanage the crystal inventory.

And you do need spares, as the current format, it is impossible to check each crystal for wear when you are docked, and there is no way of knowing if the crystals you are taking out are going to last for the night or blow out after a few cycles.

Reducing the crystal size by half was a step in the right direction, but it is not enough to accommodate a busy mining schedule. I could live with having enough crystals to go after 5 rock types, but doing away with the crystal micromanagement would rule.

Senex Legio
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#300 - 2012-07-27 17:53:59 UTC
Jake Rivers wrote:

And you do need spares, as the current format, it is impossible to check each crystal for wear when you are docked


wrong.. show info

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.