EVE General Discussion

Apparently politely requesting a review of the character bazaar and price check rules and layout is too much, so lets resort to finality statements (that can't actually make anything final) and ranting in a child fashion.

Except for your overall tone, this thread actually probably won't need a lock. Enough is enough of these silly anger posts about relatively nothing! (note, I also can't do anything to enforce my finality statement.) Lets all propose reasonable solutions to our conceived issues instead of getting all huffy about it, shall we?

EDIT: Someone got a post in while I was typing. Note, I'm not commenting on ISD moderation on the whole. It has seemed a bit inconsistent but in this case it appears that the OP is just upset because rules are being enforced, not that they're being enforced inconsistently. Besides, by the quote he made, the ISD was working to keep that post alive rather than just locking it.

inb4 the lock because "forum moderation is not to discuss" bullsh!t.

I'm sorry that you don't get it. Let me take another stab at laying it out for you. Ever read Catch-22? If you haven't, you should; its a classic. Anyway, one of the fundamental themes of the book is that people get so busy thinking about rules, making up rules, and enforcing rules that they never stop to look AT the rule. Its purpose, its use, its reason.

1. I made no personal attack. NONE. He was quoted, that was it. I don't give a flying **** about Stensson.
2. This is not about how you or him are doing youre ******* job. Do you guys actually read these posts and think aobut them or do you reflexively post when you see ISD mentioned? YES the guidelines are laid out. WHY do they exist? Do you ever sit down and ask yourself why? What purpose does moving price check threads out of the bazaar serve? What purpose? Was someone having trouble of some specific sort?
3. You didn't bother to address my core issue: why doesn't someone spend their time making the forums useful, rather than moving things to death valley?
4. Lets look at the logic of "if you move enough threads there, people will go there." Go to the Price Check forum. There are several months of threads there with few or any posts after they're moved. The overwhelming majority have no replies at all. I've gone back past the 90 day lock point. At what point will you declare this attempt a failure? You're asking people to put up questions in a place no one will answer them. That's fundamentally illogical. Just admit it and fix it. This is why people get annoyed with you guys. You live in some fantasy land where the solution to the problem is the rules that created the problem. This is why I mentioned Catch-22. At some point, its just ridiculous.

The time to make this thread could have been spent making the thread the ISD asked you about. You could use the forums correctly or just be mad bro. Hot, sweaty, nerd rage in the morning about forums.

Ok, let me be quite clear here. My response in this thread was directed at everyone, and not just you, hence why I did not quote you directly. I mentioned not wanting personal attacks because we have seen threads such as yours lead to that before and I wished to make it clear that it would not be tolerated.

Now to your other points, all of which I actually addressed.

2. You say it is not about how we do our jobs, but then ask if we read the rules we enforce. The answer I already gave was yes, we do read the rules very carefully, we have to, its our job. As to why the guidelines exist, that should also be readily apparent. Without those guidelines these forums would have degraded in to an unusable state years ago. I also told you why the price check thread was moved to the price check forum section.

3. I very clearly addressed this point. That is the whole purpose and reason for the existence of the CCL. I also pointed out that the reason some sections might be considered death valley is due to a lack of people posting in the correct forum section, so by making sure that people DO post in those areas, we are effectively helping to reinvigorate them.

4. The rules are not the problem. Where the problem starts is a lack of moderation and a lack of enforcement of rules. Since you may not be aware, the CCL are fairly new, so the effects of our work will take time to bare fruit. All we ask is that people be patient and work with us, that way we can help achieve what we all want, a better functioning and tidier set of forums.

As I have said before, having been a long time player of EVE and a fan of these forums, I want nothing more than to make this a better place for us all. I do my job to the best of my ability, as does every other member of the CCL, all we ask is a little patience from you.

This thread is proof positive that EVE has gotten to a very stable and enjoyable state.

When the only thing to complain about is a thread being moved into the correct location, on a private message board, it's a slow EVE drama day.

A simple, courteous thread asking for an organizational change to be considered works just fine. Getting worked up and hostile about something like this suggests a review of your medication might be in order.

I'd like to take a minute to remind everyone that we do more than just moderate the forums. I mean, yes, we do that, but we also work with CCP to improve the forums and try and make everything go smoothly. We could just about locking threads here and there but that just angers everyone involved. Remember, even if you want change, it doesn't happen overnight. People still have to look at the ideas, sign off on them, and then program the changes in so they appear on the forums. As I've said before, we're working on ways to improve things. Just keep that in mind.

Also, we already have a thread discussing how we can improve both how CCL interacts with the community and ways we can improve it. You can find it here. Post all your feedback over there, please.

Yes, please enlighten me on how my links were taken down by ISDs because sexually suggestive, in-game, Eve related content being automatically marked off as p0rnography is a bit strange to me

not to mention there are other past threads just like it
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1361559

I know I was being obnoxious about the bug at first and I know why some were cut, but for related threads i'm just curious as to why it was blocked (assuming people even care about a pixelated chest)

EDIT: If this is the case then I suggest ALL sexually suggestive content be restricted because people will find loopholes