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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1281 - 2012-07-27 14:37:17 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Ganking always has consequences. Even if it's not successful, you get a security status hit and lose a ship (without insurance). Grinding sec is a terrible, terrible thing.


It is. I can handle about 2 hours of sec grinding in a month. I'd rather mine than sec grind to be honest.

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Jed Bobby
Doomheim
#1282 - 2012-07-27 14:37:50 UTC
this thread is still lulz
Pipa Porto
#1283 - 2012-07-27 14:41:48 UTC
Jed Bobby wrote:
this thread is still lulz


Scintillating analysis as always, Mr. Bobby.

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-RubyPorto
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1284 - 2012-07-27 14:43:54 UTC
This is fun.

CCP dev's gave griefers a huge gift of buffed Catalysts and the new T3 BC's. We were then told by the griefers "adapt or die".
So the more determined and resourceful of the miner species adapted, the balance stopped mining.

16 months later CCP gives high sec miners a counter to the Catalyst and Tornado.

I am sure that the truly intelligent and resourceful of the various griefer species will adapt. For the balance of the various griefer species, well, in Eve and as in nature, evolution will do what it does best.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1285 - 2012-07-27 14:46:02 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
This is fun.

CCP dev's gave griefers a huge gift of buffed Catalysts and the new T3 BC's. We were then told by the griefers "adapt or die".
So the more determined and resourceful of the miner species adapted, the balance stopped mining.

16 months later CCP gives high sec miners a counter to the Catalyst and Tornado.

I am sure that the truly intelligent and resourceful of the various griefer species will adapt. For the balance of the various griefer species, well, in Eve and as in nature, evolution will do what it does best.



You mean to say not being afk, fitting a tank & paying attention was never a counter?

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Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1286 - 2012-07-27 14:47:42 UTC
Guys i think we need to stop the tears or we'll cause a Tsunami.
Rain King
Playing Alone Sucks
#1287 - 2012-07-27 14:50:07 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Oh he mad.


But is he wrong?

Nope.

Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.


Yeah, he mad and wrong. Game got harder, and predictably, those wanting easy kills and grief now have to actually put more effort into their game.

The coin has flipped.
Pipa Porto
#1288 - 2012-07-27 14:50:33 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
This is fun.

CCP dev's gave griefers a huge gift of buffed Catalysts and the new T3 BC's. We were then told by the griefers "adapt or die".
So the more determined and resourceful of the miner species adapted, the balance stopped mining.

16 months later CCP gives high sec miners a counter to the Catalyst and Tornado.

I am sure that the truly intelligent and resourceful of the various griefer species will adapt. For the balance of the various griefer species, well, in Eve and as in nature, evolution will do what it does best.



Gift. Yes, removing Insurance payouts for ganks was a gift. Absolutely.

Crucible increased the cost to gank anything.

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-RubyPorto
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1289 - 2012-07-27 14:56:42 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
You mean to say not being afk, fitting a tank & paying attention was never a counter?

It was costing them.

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Pipa Porto
#1290 - 2012-07-27 14:57:11 UTC
Rain King wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Oh he mad.


But is he wrong?

Nope.

Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.


Yeah, he mad and wrong. Game got harder, and predictably, those wanting easy kills and grief now have to actually put more effort into their game.

The coin has flipped.


No extra effort, just extra money.

The problem is that without the changes, the only reason Hulks were profitable to gank was the bad choices of the miners. CCP is rewarding the stupid choices of miners.

They're giving the Hulk a buff that it does not need.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1291 - 2012-07-27 14:57:46 UTC
Manar Detri wrote:
You brought some 80 dreads, they had some 40 titans (thats some 2,8 trillion) + 20 or more supercarriers.
You didn't bring the required 500 dreads (only 1,5trillion about), why are you whining ? Ofcourse you lose if you don't bring enough firepower, do the maths, tidi was already here.

And still, you whined like mad bros, and now you cry like mad bros cause you no longer can gank mining ships at profit. There will still be idiots that won't place a single tanking module on their mining vessels, you can always have a go at them.

Stop being a little kid, quit eve or stop whining.


i'm sorry that you're absolutely clueless about capital warfare

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Pipa Porto
#1292 - 2012-07-27 15:00:03 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Manar Detri wrote:
You brought some 80 dreads, they had some 40 titans (thats some 2,8 trillion) + 20 or more supercarriers.
You didn't bring the required 500 dreads (only 1,5trillion about), why are you whining ? Ofcourse you lose if you don't bring enough firepower, do the maths, tidi was already here.

And still, you whined like mad bros, and now you cry like mad bros cause you no longer can gank mining ships at profit. There will still be idiots that won't place a single tanking module on their mining vessels, you can always have a go at them.

Stop being a little kid, quit eve or stop whining.


i'm sorry that you're absolutely clueless about capital warfare


Bring Cruise Phoenixes and your entire fleet bumping away at great speed doesn't matter amirite?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jed Bobby
Doomheim
#1293 - 2012-07-27 15:00:35 UTC
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i r bester den yew
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1294 - 2012-07-27 15:01:52 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
This is fun.

CCP dev's gave griefers a huge gift of buffed Catalysts and the new T3 BC's. We were then told by the griefers "adapt or die".
So the more determined and resourceful of the miner species adapted, the balance stopped mining.

16 months later CCP gives high sec miners a counter to the Catalyst and Tornado.

I am sure that the truly intelligent and resourceful of the various griefer species will adapt. For the balance of the various griefer species, well, in Eve and as in nature, evolution will do what it does best.



Gift. Yes, removing Insurance payouts for ganks was a gift. Absolutely.

Crucible increased the cost to gank anything.


Tell you what.....why don't you petition CCP to bring back insurance payouts when they introduce these improved buffered mining boats.
Or better, roll back the game removing the Catalsyt buff and the introduction of the Tornado, and in exchange, CCP does not change mining boats. Got news for you, the vast majority of miners would take that deal in a second.

Eve introduced changes 16 months ago and the high sec community was forced to adapt to the huge increase in griefing. Now it is the griefers' turn to adapt.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1295 - 2012-07-27 15:06:37 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
huge increase in griefing. Now it is the griefers' turn to adapt.


Griefers get banned in EVE, because it's bannable. Your definition of griefing that you brought with you from some other game is not actually griefing in this game.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1296 - 2012-07-27 15:07:03 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Tell you what.....why don't you petition CCP to bring back insurance payouts when they introduce these improved buffered mining boats.
Or better, roll back the game removing the Catalsyt buff and the introduction of the Tornado, and in exchange, CCP does not change mining boats. Got news for you, the vast majority of miners would take that deal in a second.

Eve introduced changes 16 months ago and the high sec community was forced to adapt to the huge increase in griefing. Now it is the griefers' turn to adapt.


the difference between suicide ganking before the insurance nerf and after is that the ~griefers~ started using catalysts instead of brutixes

as long as miners are mercilessly hunted, barges are "unbalanced"

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Pipa Porto
#1297 - 2012-07-27 15:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


Gift. Yes, removing Insurance payouts for ganks was a gift. Absolutely.

Crucible increased the cost to gank anything.


Tell you what.....why don't you petition CCP to bring back insurance payouts when they introduce these improved buffered mining boats.
Or better, roll back the game removing the Catalsyt buff and the introduction of the Tornado, and in exchange, CCP does not change mining boats. Got news for you, the vast majority of miners would take that deal in a second.

Eve introduced changes 16 months ago and the high sec community was forced to adapt to the huge increase in griefing. Now it is the griefers' turn to adapt.



Crucible was an overall nerf to Ganking. Why should miners get 2 buffs for the price of one ganker buff? Besides that, the Destroyer buff was absolutely necessary, Destroyers are actually useful now.

Ganking Hulks was CHEAPER before Crucible. Goonswarm just popularized it, and instead of adapting by tanking or, you know, paying attention to the game they are playing, miners cried until CCP changed their diaper.

The first Ice interdiction happened before Crucible, btw.

Anyway, I'll take Insurance payoffs as a trade for the Exhumer buff. Mmmm, 50m to kill a Freighter, *glarbleglarbleglarble*

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Togg Bott
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1298 - 2012-07-27 15:14:43 UTC
As a part time miner... i am sadened by the massive numbers of mining ship fail fit kills. it is now very easy to survive being ganked not by fitting a mining ship to be ungankable... you just have to fit a little better than the other guy. Gankers... and i have done this in the past myself (not miner ships but afk auto pilot to jita with mass loot in them). will go for the guy that offers them the most bling for their cost. always has been. but even with the upcoming changes... we will still see people fit T2 exhumers for max yield instead of tanking them. ganking will still be profitable (maybe not quite as profitable) because CCP cant change the bot/afk miners thought process.

this is in my opinion not going to kill the gankers off... instead its gonna give them many many new targets. balance will still be there.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1299 - 2012-07-27 15:17:15 UTC
Togg Bott wrote:
As a part time miner... i am sadened by the massive numbers of mining ship fail fit kills. it is now very easy to survive being ganked not by fitting a mining ship to be ungankable... you just have to fit a little better than the other guy. Gankers... and i have done this in the past myself (not miner ships but afk auto pilot to jita with mass loot in them). will go for the guy that offers them the most bling for their cost. always has been. but even with the upcoming changes... we will still see people fit T2 exhumers for max yield instead of tanking them. ganking will still be profitable (maybe not quite as profitable) because CCP cant change the bot/afk miners thought process.

this is in my opinion not going to kill the gankers off... instead its gonna give them many many new targets. balance will still be there.


this guy gets it

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1300 - 2012-07-27 15:22:08 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Togg Bott wrote:
As a part time miner... i am sadened by the massive numbers of mining ship fail fit kills. it is now very easy to survive being ganked not by fitting a mining ship to be ungankable... you just have to fit a little better than the other guy. Gankers... and i have done this in the past myself (not miner ships but afk auto pilot to jita with mass loot in them). will go for the guy that offers them the most bling for their cost. always has been. but even with the upcoming changes... we will still see people fit T2 exhumers for max yield instead of tanking them. ganking will still be profitable (maybe not quite as profitable) because CCP cant change the bot/afk miners thought process.

this is in my opinion not going to kill the gankers off... instead its gonna give them many many new targets. balance will still be there.


this guy gets it


He will unfortunately suffer the most in the end though. He has put in effort to survive & will be one of the few that don't deserve the inevitable hit to their wallets when veld goes back to 1 isk PU.

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