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OmniBeton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1261 - 2012-07-27 13:25:59 UTC
This reminds me of many times when all thoose "hardcore" PVPers were whining like a little bi***es about overpowered Dramiels or Nanovagas (before speed nerf), and players flying those were teling them to adapt ... good times.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1262 - 2012-07-27 13:27:02 UTC
Big Bossu wrote:
I mean, it already isn't profitable to gank ravens.


Since when?

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Kyra Yaken
Doomheim
#1263 - 2012-07-27 13:34:15 UTC
Big Bossu wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
...


All I see here is 60+ pages of crying, because EVE isn't exactly like you want. Highsec already isn't some area where elite non-consensual pvp happens. I mean, it already isn't profitable to gank ravens, do you see that as a problem?


Its not that serious. Its just one goon and few of his alts that are crying over here.

True story Bro.
Manar Detri
#1264 - 2012-07-27 13:34:32 UTC
The 40-60 titan fleets wielded by the techboys could've been killed with a sizeable dread armada, you the goons just didn't have the balls to do it or didn't have enough pilots volunteering for it or possibly just didn't have enough dread pilots. Seems you didn't prepare for war enough. Just assuming you can plow through everything with 2 alpha mael fleet + scrubs fleet was shortsighted.

Now that being said, ccp didn't intend titans to kill subcaps with ease at this point in eve onlines life and that is the reason they were nerfed. But this was only brought to ccp's eyes by the huge amount of whine the goonswarm did when they couldn't win the war with the usual alpha mael fleet. Yes you whined only after it affected you, not before.

Now onto the miners problem, ccp has stated that ganking a ship in hisec is not meant to be profitable, that means you shouldn't be gaining more cash from suiciding and then salvaging a ship than you lose while doing it. Why is this important to ccp now? Well you guessed it, you dimwits went and took a crap on your own plate, you just had to gank and gank and gank. Now all the miners have had enough and whined, and as such ccp is doing the necessary changes.

After the changes, the ships are still gankable, it just takes more effort, and as has been said tons of times, idiots don't tank their ships. And really these things were being planned on since last summer. The reason the tanks were made better was goonswarms ice interdiction, and the growing love for hulkageddon.

Now i hope you atlast get it, you can whine as much as you whine it won't change the new reincarnations of mining ships.

Ps. now remember kids, titans were actually the counter to blob warfare which the cfc loves so much.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1265 - 2012-07-27 13:38:54 UTC
Big Bossu wrote:
All I see here is 60+ pages of crying, because EVE isn't exactly like you want. Highsec already isn't some area where elite non-consensual pvp happens. I mean, it already isn't profitable to gank ravens, do you see that as a problem?

CCP has been pretty clear: 1. They want to boost miners. 2. Suicide ganking shouldn't be a profession, rather something only reserved for special cases. I see nothing gamebreaking with the coming changes.

Problems with 0.0 aren't located in highsec, just fyi.


So you're of the mindset that hisec should be a risk-free, high-reward area?

Kind of like Trammel!

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1266 - 2012-07-27 13:39:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Manar Detri wrote:
The 40-60 titan fleets wielded by the techboys could've been killed with a sizeable dread armada, you the goons just didn't have the balls to do it or didn't have enough pilots volunteering for it or possibly just didn't have enough dread pilots. Seems you didn't prepare for war enough. Just assuming you can plow through everything with 2 alpha mael fleet + scrubs fleet was shortsighted.

Now that being said, ccp didn't intend titans to kill subcaps with ease at this point in eve onlines life and that is the reason they were nerfed. But this was only brought to ccp's eyes by the huge amount of whine the goonswarm did when they couldn't win the war with the usual alpha mael fleet. Yes you whined only after it affected you, not before.

Now onto the miners problem, ccp has stated that ganking a ship in hisec is not meant to be profitable, that means you shouldn't be gaining more cash from suiciding and then salvaging a ship than you lose while doing it. Why is this important to ccp now? Well you guessed it, you dimwits went and took a crap on your own plate, you just had to gank and gank and gank. Now all the miners have had enough and whined, and as such ccp is doing the necessary changes.

After the changes, the ships are still gankable, it just takes more effort, and as has been said tons of times, idiots don't tank their ships. And really these things were being planned on since last summer. The reason the tanks were made better was goonswarms ice interdiction, and the growing love for hulkageddon.

Now i hope you atlast get it, you can whine as much as you whine it won't change the new reincarnations of mining ships.

Ps. now remember kids, titans were actually the counter to blob warfare which the cfc loves so much.


we tried dreads, we killed one (!) titan

the only thing that ever worked effectively was counterdropping them with more supercaps

sorry that you're so poorly informed about nullsec, it helps to leave the veldspar belt once in a blue moon

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1267 - 2012-07-27 13:39:54 UTC
Manar Detri wrote:
The 40-60 titan fleets wielded by the techboys could've been killed with a sizeable dread armada, you the goons just didn't have the balls to do it or didn't have enough pilots volunteering for it or possibly just didn't have enough dread pilots. Seems you didn't prepare for war enough. Just assuming you can plow through everything with 2 alpha mael fleet + scrubs fleet was shortsighted.

Now that being said, ccp didn't intend titans to kill subcaps with ease at this point in eve onlines life and that is the reason they were nerfed. But this was only brought to ccp's eyes by the huge amount of whine the goonswarm did when they couldn't win the war with the usual alpha mael fleet. Yes you whined only after it affected you, not before.

Now onto the miners problem, ccp has stated that ganking a ship in hisec is not meant to be profitable, that means you shouldn't be gaining more cash from suiciding and then salvaging a ship than you lose while doing it. Why is this important to ccp now? Well you guessed it, you dimwits went and took a crap on your own plate, you just had to gank and gank and gank. Now all the miners have had enough and whined, and as such ccp is doing the necessary changes.

After the changes, the ships are still gankable, it just takes more effort, and as has been said tons of times, idiots don't tank their ships. And really these things were being planned on since last summer. The reason the tanks were made better was goonswarms ice interdiction, and the growing love for hulkageddon.

Now i hope you atlast get it, you can whine as much as you whine it won't change the new reincarnations of mining ships.

Ps. now remember kids, titans were actually the counter to blob warfare which the cfc loves so much.


I've underlined the one thing that you actually got right. The rest of it sounds like stuff you've heard through several other people who had no idea what they were talking about & therefore isn't worth arguing about.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1268 - 2012-07-27 13:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
please keep talking about 15,000,000 EHP ewar-immune tracking-fit turret titans and comparing them to 3,000 EHP gank destroyers that die to anything that sneezes at them, while pretending to have a clue

"drop dreads on them, it's not as if the titans will simply take half of that DPS off the field before any of them get locked by the dreads. i FC my npc corp's gigantic supercapital fleet, you see"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1269 - 2012-07-27 13:45:01 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
So you're of the mindset that hisec should be a risk-free, high-reward area?

Kind of like Trammel!


I've heard you can print more isk ratting in nullsec than mining scordite in hisec.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1270 - 2012-07-27 13:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
So you're of the mindset that hisec should be a risk-free, high-reward area?

Kind of like Trammel!


I've heard you can print more isk ratting in nullsec than mining scordite in hisec.


you can print more isk running the newly buffed OTAs in hisec in a kitchen sink fleet than blitzing anoms in nullsec with a faction battleship

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1271 - 2012-07-27 13:50:44 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
you can print more isk running the newly buffed OTAs in hisec in a kitchen sink fleet than blitzing anoms in nullsec with a faction battleship


You can try those OTAs with poorly tanked fleet. I bet your ships don't last long enough to complete site.
Manar Detri
#1272 - 2012-07-27 14:12:29 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:


we tried dreads, we killed one (!) titan

the only thing that ever worked effectively was counterdropping them with more supercaps

sorry that you're so poorly informed about nullsec, it helps to leave the veldspar belt once in a blue moon


You brought some 80 dreads, they had some 40 titans (thats some 2,8 trillion) + 20 or more supercarriers.
You didn't bring the required 500 dreads (only 1,5trillion about), why are you whining ? Ofcourse you lose if you don't bring enough firepower, do the maths, tidi was already here.

And still, you whined like mad bros, and now you cry like mad bros cause you no longer can gank mining ships at profit. There will still be idiots that won't place a single tanking module on their mining vessels, you can always have a go at them.

Stop being a little kid, quit eve or stop whining.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#1273 - 2012-07-27 14:22:57 UTC
Manar Detri wrote:

You brought some 80 dreads, they had some 40 titans (thats some 2,8 trillion) + 20 or more supercarriers.
You didn't bring the required 500 dreads (only 1,5trillion about), why are you whining ? Ofcourse you lose if you don't bring enough firepower, do the maths, tidi was already here.


dear worthless npc alt

cynoing in 500 dreads would cause bumps of absolutely massive proportions. The vast majority of your dps would be rendered useless as they skated away, unable to track and winding up out of range. meanwhile, your dps is getting ground down rapidly as you try to get your ships to a stop so they can fire

also the node is dialated to hell and back at this point, so the supercap fleet can call in anti-dictor reinforcements easily, pop dictors, and cyno anything in danger out

so end of the day you lose scads of dreadnaughts that cannot be rapidly replaced (because nobody really uses the things now so you can't just buy them off the market), for very little gain
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#1274 - 2012-07-27 14:23:49 UTC
you see it turns out that in your career in empire you didn't learn how to use caps
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1275 - 2012-07-27 14:26:58 UTC
Love 2 Phoenix.

(Not really)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Pipa Porto
#1276 - 2012-07-27 14:29:41 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
you can print more isk running the newly buffed OTAs in hisec in a kitchen sink fleet than blitzing anoms in nullsec with a faction battleship


You can try those OTAs with poorly tanked fleet. I bet your ships don't last long enough to complete site.


Kitchen Sink fleet != Being absolutely terrible at EVE.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Manar Detri
#1277 - 2012-07-27 14:30:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Manar Detri
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Manar Detri wrote:

You brought some 80 dreads, they had some 40 titans (thats some 2,8 trillion) + 20 or more supercarriers.
You didn't bring the required 500 dreads (only 1,5trillion about), why are you whining ? Ofcourse you lose if you don't bring enough firepower, do the maths, tidi was already here.


dear worthless npc alt

cynoing in 500 dreads would cause bumps of absolutely massive proportions. The vast majority of your dps would be rendered useless as they skated away, unable to track and winding up out of range. meanwhile, your dps is getting ground down rapidly as you try to get your ships to a stop so they can fire

also the node is dialated to hell and back at this point, so the supercap fleet can call in anti-dictor reinforcements easily, pop dictors, and cyno anything in danger out

so end of the day you lose scads of dreadnaughts that cannot be rapidly replaced (because nobody really uses the things now so you can't just buy them off the market), for very little gain


And yet it could be done with multiple cynos, being lazy and opening just one is your own problem. Just because you didn't prepare for the war with cap industry doesn't mean you could've. Starting a war and puttting your faith in the amount of whine you can make to nerf titans is the goon way ofcourse and thats how you played it. Also, everyone knows goons had some titans they could've used, plenty of them.

However, titans were nerfed and now mining vessels will be buffed, both of these decisions coincide with ccp's current design philosophy. You can't have risk free mining vessel popping anymore, now you actually have to take the risk of losing for nothing or losing and gaining what ever you want to gain by popping a mining vessel in hisec. If the thing gained no longer is worth it, well thats your problem isn't it?

Edit: please give us a real reason as to why the ore company would not redesign their mining vessels in an ever more violent new eden.
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1278 - 2012-07-27 14:31:52 UTC
Manar Detri wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Manar Detri wrote:

You brought some 80 dreads, they had some 40 titans (thats some 2,8 trillion) + 20 or more supercarriers.
You didn't bring the required 500 dreads (only 1,5trillion about), why are you whining ? Ofcourse you lose if you don't bring enough firepower, do the maths, tidi was already here.


dear worthless npc alt

cynoing in 500 dreads would cause bumps of absolutely massive proportions. The vast majority of your dps would be rendered useless as they skated away, unable to track and winding up out of range. meanwhile, your dps is getting ground down rapidly as you try to get your ships to a stop so they can fire

also the node is dialated to hell and back at this point, so the supercap fleet can call in anti-dictor reinforcements easily, pop dictors, and cyno anything in danger out

so end of the day you lose scads of dreadnaughts that cannot be rapidly replaced (because nobody really uses the things now so you can't just buy them off the market), for very little gain


And yet it could be done with multiple cynos, being lazy and opening just one is your own problem. Just because you didn't prepare for the war with cap industry doesn't mean you could've. Starting a war and puttting your faith in the amount of whine you can make to nerf titans is the goon way ofcourse and thats how you played it. Also, everyone knows goons had some titans they could've used, plenty of them.

However, titans were nerfed and now mining vessels will be buffed, both of these decisions coincide with ccp's current design philosophy. You can't have risk free mining vessel popping anymore, now you actually have to take the risk of losing for nothing or losing and gaining what ever you want to gain by popping a mining vessel in hisec. If the thing gained no longer is worth it, well thats your problem isn't it?


Now you're just giving us the dumb.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1279 - 2012-07-27 14:32:02 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Love 2 Phoenix.

(Not really)


What are you talking about? Those ships are awesome If target is literally 0km away!

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1280 - 2012-07-27 14:33:51 UTC
Ganking always has consequences. Even if it's not successful, you get a security status hit and lose a ship (without insurance). Grinding sec is a terrible, terrible thing.