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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#741 - 2012-07-26 21:23:55 UTC
yes it does
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#742 - 2012-07-26 21:24:14 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
also lmao at "mackinaws can't fit tanks"

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Mackinaw%20-%20New%20Setup%202.jpg

32k ehp against blasters


the link does not work...


okay, http://i.imgur.com/aBuDj.jpg

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#743 - 2012-07-26 21:25:14 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
This will happen the day you show me that mythical 30k EHP Mack that got 10k cargo size and mines like a pro.

On an unrelated note, since you guys preach how this is a TEAM GAME then why would a Drake in your blobfest have to fit point and web? Don't you bring in flocks of Rifters for that?


yes, we have other tackling ships so that mainline fleet ships don't have to give up midslots for tackle

how that is relevant in a discussion of "ships have to give up tank or utility to increase damage/mining/whatever yield" is beyond me

also I never said that any mining ship anywhere can fit a tank and still get maximum yield, I said that they give up yield for it

that is somehow a problem in eve online, a game of tradeoffs


No, the problem is when tradeoffs for categories of ships are smoothly selectable and still let them fill their role. I would flat out refuse to fly a minmatar ship without a single gyrostab (unless it was pure bait, you know all ships except miners are nicely multi-role and some even multi-tanking philosophy).

On the opposite side there's mining ships who can't fit the corresponding booster (what in a combat ship is gyrostab / BCU etc) without such harsh drop in tank that makes them crap. Too much black and white.

So, a tradeoff among the tradeoffs has to be found.

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#744 - 2012-07-26 21:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
Herr Wilkus wrote:

No, because there are many ways to scan ships without anyone knowing they've been scanned.
Good gankers will rarely let you know anything beyond that they are in local.

vv is literally The Dumbest Pubbie he's not going to grasp what you're saying

oh well, we'll come up with some other *snip* to the highsec mining problem

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#745 - 2012-07-26 21:27:05 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
i mean let's make it clear how much you just proved your system is nonsense

you make a prediction based on what we will charitably call interpreting the market graph

a change happens that changes the price of tech in a way that cannot be linked to the market graph in any way

you posit this proves your market graph interpretation was correct


The trend was set before the announce, it just made it tank harder.

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#746 - 2012-07-26 21:30:02 UTC
"i was right despite being wrong in every way"
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#747 - 2012-07-26 21:30:36 UTC
"if you redefine success enough times, you eventually get to me"
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#748 - 2012-07-26 21:31:30 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
No, the problem is when tradeoffs for categories of ships are smoothly selectable and still let them fill their role. I would flat out refuse to fly a minmatar ship without a single gyrostab (unless it was pure bait, you know all ships except miners are nicely multi-role and some even multi-tanking philosophy).

On the opposite side there's mining ships who can't fit the corresponding booster (what in a combat ship is gyrostab / BCU etc) without such harsh drop in tank that makes them crap. Too much black and white.

So, a tradeoff among the tradeoffs has to be found.


okay then take away/reduce the penalty from lowslot mining upgrades that causes mining mods' CPU to shoot up like it does

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#749 - 2012-07-26 21:32:41 UTC
I've read every page of this thread and it has only served to solidify my position. The developers at CCP who are pushing this change on us seem to have lost any sense of what kind of balance is appropriate for this game. CCP Soundwave has taken a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel to open heart surgery, to use a cliche metaphor.

Adding some CPU and some powergrid would have been a proper buff to mining barge and exhumer tank. Adding EHP, especially in such massive proportions, is a colossal mistake.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#750 - 2012-07-26 21:33:22 UTC

Hey guys here are two command ships that increase damage, you are SO owned

Oh wait it doesn't ah well no biggie don't quote me on that it doesn't matter
Dave stark
#751 - 2012-07-26 21:33:22 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
also lmao at "mackinaws can't fit tanks"

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Mackinaw%20-%20New%20Setup%202.jpg

32k ehp against blasters


the link does not work...


okay, http://i.imgur.com/aBuDj.jpg


fit doesn't work with t2 high slots.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#752 - 2012-07-26 21:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Richard Desturned wrote:
also lmao at "mackinaws can't fit tanks"

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Mackinaw%20-%20New%20Setup%202.jpg

32k ehp against blasters



All V skills requirement check (it's usually the first sign it's a troll).
Exotic implants check
FC with Tengu booster check
Additional fleet Orca boost check
Abysmal mining capability check


Congrats you made an useless brick, while involving 3 subscriptions or 3 players.

This is what I say to the other guy when I talk about bads.

You could achieve triple the income per hour in a moderate tank Mack as you don't need 3 accounts.
Even if it died some times it'd quickly repay for the several billions otherwise spent in Orca + Orca pilot + Tengu + Tengu pilot.

At the same time that Tengu pilot could have been doing L4s in dual box like many miners do.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#753 - 2012-07-26 21:34:16 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
i'm not sure if you're intelligent enough to grasp what i'm saying even boiled down that far:

since there is literally no way your "system" could have actually predicted the result, yet you took credit anyway, it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt your system is nonsense and you simply take credit whenever one of your coinflips happens to be correct, while burying the incorrect predictions


Link one incorrect prediction. Which happen of course, since nobody is infallible.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#754 - 2012-07-26 21:34:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Dave stark wrote:
fit doesn't work with t2 high slots.


really?

like I said, YOU SACRIFICE YIELD

is that a difficult concept for you?

and of course it works with t2 highslots, you only need to get a CPU hardwiring

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#755 - 2012-07-26 21:35:41 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Exotic implants check

you mean implants that can very easily be bought in jita and are being added to the market and cost about 20m?

laffo
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#756 - 2012-07-26 21:36:18 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Link one incorrect prediction. Which happen of course, since nobody is infallible.

you claimed you predicted current tech prices

q.e.d.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#757 - 2012-07-26 21:37:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Link one incorrect prediction. Which happen of course, since nobody is infallible.

you claimed you predicted current tech prices

q.e.d.


I warned you that if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k.
They did. Period. They would do with or without CCP adding alchemy too. All the high IQ voodoo you needed to use was to draw a straight diagonal line across the in game price chart.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#758 - 2012-07-26 21:38:02 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
All V skills requirement check (it's usually the first sign it's a troll).
Exotic implants check
FC with Tengu booster check
Additional fleet Orca boost check
Abysmal mining capability check


the "all 5 requirement" is literally shield upgrades V, engineering V, electronics V and whatever skills you need to fit the rest of that crap

the "abysmal mining capability" is because YOU SACRIFICE YIELD (aka isk/hr) TO FIT A TANK

as for the rest, well, aren't you the one saying "WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD WORK WITH OTHER PLAYERS IN THIS HERE MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME"

cripes

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#759 - 2012-07-26 21:39:51 UTC
and as for "hurr that tengu could be making isk itself" well perhaps you should probably realize that that same tengu can boost 1 or 250 mining ships all the same

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Dave stark
#760 - 2012-07-26 21:40:03 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
fit doesn't work with t2 high slots.


really?

like I said, YOU SACRIFICE YIELD

is that a difficult concept for you?

and of course it works with t2 highslots, you only need to get a CPU hardwiring


and which of your fleet doctrines use t1 guns because of fitting requirements?
sacrificing ihus for tank isn't a problem, high slots really should not be subject to the same absurdity because i'll wager the answer to my above question is none. (yes you may have alternative t1 fittings for low sp players, that's not the same thing though)