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Need advice on where to focus training for L4s.

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Deucaliona
Penumbra Institute
#21 - 2011-10-11 11:23:50 UTC

My progression went Drake>Raven>Golem. So i cant really comment on the use of a SNI doing a IV but it does seem to have quite a few mids to play with there.

Your fit on it has improved tremendously from the earlier ones in this thread. The 2+2 Specific hardeners makes the difference in a good tank, its good to see you dropped the invulns as they use alot more KJ to run. There are a few missions that can use them where u have more omni inc damage but for the majority 2+2 is perfect. Like someone mentioned before you do need at least 1 tp on there to really put some of the NPC bc's and cruiser's balls to the fire.

When you become a little more comfortable on the triggers and missions in general you can opt for the faction/complex shield booster +hardeners. They are pricey but for the simple reason that it does make a difference in cap use and more % in resist. So less boosting and more pewing.

Just as an example what i used on the raven when i began running IV's that i did not have an issue with. (full room aggro not included) Applicable Cap/Eng skills @ lvl 4

[Raven, lvl4 ]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Heat Dissipation Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
150mm Light AutoCannon I, EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon I, EMP S

Large Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


At any rate, enjoy the IV's in the SNI :D They are rewarding
Fedimart
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-10-11 15:36:38 UTC
veshna wildsun wrote:
I would try doing some L4's with your drake as you train up missile support and drone skills. It will hurt less when you die and dieing in a decent drake is tough to do. The drake is a good ship and you can get a good feel for how L4's work and you will initially have less trouble dealing with warp scramming frigates because you have 2 weapons that are effective (HML's only to a degree) against them.

Just my 2 isk


This is the best advice so far. You can lose quite a few Drake's for the price of one SNI. On EFT the Drake might have lower DPS but that doesn't take all factors into consideration. Also the Drake will be more effective against frigates since you don't have T2 drones. This being said if ISK isn't a factor worse case senerio is the SNI goes pop and you get a new one. Eve is about trial and error sometimes.
Mixne
More Money More Problems
#23 - 2011-10-11 16:29:23 UTC
I have to agree with people saying start running lvl 4s in a Drake and work your missile, drone and support skills up before jumping into a Raven. In fact, I found that when I was "ready" to get into a Raven, I didn't really even enjoy flying it. You can probably get away with following setup on a Drake for lvl 4s. It may take a while to kill everything, but you shouldn't die if you read up on the missions on EVE Survival prior to running them. Managing aggression and triggers is KEY in lvl 4s.

[Drake, Drake Passive PvE]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Invulnerability Field I
Invulnerability Field I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I



However, something like this would perform a bit better for lvl 4s. Of course, it's also going to be a bit more expensive.

[Drake, Lvl 4 Drake]
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Shield Recharger II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hornet II x1
Hornet II x1
Hornet II x1
Hornet II x1
Hornet II x1

Drone choice is yours of course and the shield hardeners should be switched out to mission specific damage types (thermal/kinetic for gurista and serpentis, em/thermal for blood raider and sansha, 2 x invuln works for drones). I always use faction missiles, kinetic for everything unless they are weak to EM, then use EM.
Lemok Sonji
Lethal Devotion
Escalation Theory
#24 - 2011-10-11 17:34:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lemok Sonji
Thanks guys.

I guess I will do a few more L3s and easy L4s with my drake until I get a few cap/drones skills up, plus get a few implants to help.
I will spend a bit of time increasing the passive shield skills of the drake to make it a bit more viable before I run to a raven or SNI (most like a SNI still because I love the looksBig smile and the scorpion isn't really viable for L4s, too slow)
I'm flying a drake similar to what you suggested, and yeah, it works amazing even at low skills.

Cheers again and thanks :)
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