EVE General Discussion

They will after the mining ship buff nerfs mining income.

but the other posters said hulkageddon is irrelevant

idgi

Ok, But you can gank those miner competitors that are botting. They just sit and are easy targets if they are on 23/7.
You know where they are and you can scan the ship and build a perfect gank to take it out.
Now you can collect fees from the goons for doing this plus as they are botting you get all the salvage and you eliminate the competition all at the same time. In short CCP gave you all the tools you need to defend your turf. So do it. And if they come back do it again and again. You also get to recover all the minerals they spent the last few hours mining. Whats not to like. The bots are doing you a favor. Storing up all those minerals in those huge ore bays just for the taking.

Not their fault if non ship PvP content in this game is sh!t and makes them bored after 3 months.

I'll look at my degree in Economics instead, thanks though.

So you feel that your truly "Econ 101" view of Supply/Demand is what drives an Economy huh?

Ok, so we'll set aside the whole discussion of inferior vs luxury goods and their use as an economic indicator and how it could be applies to Trit vs say Morph and just go with the simplistic view of S/D.

So you're indicating that the market price increase in minerals is being driven by a supply side shortage vs an increased demand for inferior minerals? So wouldn't that negate your entire "AFK mining is bad" argument as AFK mining would increase supply thus driving down prices? Therefore, increased AFK mining would actually be beneficial for you. Also, an AFK mining epidemic at such a level as is being QQed about regulary would not be indicative of a supply side shortage, but i digress.

UNLESS, prices are being driven by increases in demand as a result of increased asset losses from some the various PVP/PVE elements that have been added to the game such as incursions or even suicide ganks (losses of both aggressor and defender) - but then, that would make my statement that consumers drive the price not the producers correct, and that couldn't be it could it.

Given the fact that Trit has increase so much over the last 12 months and has remained high and considering that it is the most abundant element in the game, your supply side shortage statement of "supply/demand" is flawed. The only mineral that has recently increased as a result of shortage is Pyerite because Scordite has long been ignored by miners and the only minerals that have really decreased are ice Products given their increased attention from AFK miners because of long cycle times and large asteroid loads.

But then, of course, you knew all that because of your vast EVE mining knowledge and you're oh so trusty Econ 101 book.

Quite simply, we need a new thing that get more people to mine to recoup the supply loss that the drone poo removal caused, and these barge changes are good for that.

Afk miners are fine, bots aren't.

Wow this whole thread gave me lots of chuckles. Gankers shedding tears over things not being so easy for them. Instead of adapting, they are crying. Where have I heard about that before?

Buff to Hulk isn't too much greater, a slight buff to armor and shields mostly, hull is actually weaker. Skiff and Mack's have those buffs but larger sig radius to go with it, making them more vulnerable to bigger guns. If you have to gank them, don't just fit for maximum damage(sounds alot like telling miners not to fit for maximum yield, doesn't it?), but fit for making your weapons more effective - target painters, webbers, scramblers.

Basically all CCP has done is given miners a 'security blanket' with camo paint on it to look like a nicely armored ship. Most miners will continue to mine as they have before, leaving them vulnerable to ganking. It will just take gankers with some smarts to pull it off.

I also had to laugh at the mention of the 'great coordination' to gank during the burn Jita event. A bunch of ships sat there outside the dock and ganged up on a ship. Big whoop on that. I've seen 12 yr olds pull of the same coordination when having water balloon fights too.

Lastly, the real reason gankers are so upset by the changes? You are going to see a lot less Hulks now as other barges and exhumers become viable alternatives. Coveterageddon or Procurerageddon or Retrieverageddon just does NOT have the same ring to it as Hulkageddon. So there you go. The real reason behind the tears explained.

I've seen lots of comments in the forums about it being a cold hard universe. Now it is harder for gankers. They've had it too easy for too long. I even saw many comments made on the Hulkageddon site by gankers saying their real goal was to make CCP change insurance payouts. "Don't blame us, blame CCP. Petition them to change it. It'll be better for everyone" So now we have these changes, lets adapt people.

Agreed.

We will adapt, that is why we are the stronger species. Lets not forget that suicide ganking has been nerfed in to the ground repeatedly. We're still here.

Spoken like so many criminally minded people I have known of. LOL. Well perseverance is a good quality so good for you. You keep doing what you enjoy. If that is ganking, then by all means do it. Even CCP says go ahead.

And you accept the challenge of finding a way to make it work despite it being impossible. Once you do it, you can show all these other people that can't figure it out how to do it and make it work for everyone. I salute you.

And I am really not being sarcastic. It's almost impossible to gank with these changes, several players have said so and it sounds like they really know what they are talking about. I think it will be good if you can rub it in their face how wrong they are. I just hope they don't get discouraged for not being such good players.