Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Here's a better idea :

Make it so that it requires at least 3months of training to achieve similar effectiveness like it is now ( level 4 skills ) and make level 5 skills more worthwhile.
Less characters ( not players ) doing PI == much better prices and much less clicks.

I'm against anything that makes usage of those artificial PI alts much easier. You want to use them - you need to invest much more time into PI.
And don't give me this "enjoyable PI" b/s. It won't be enjoyable when using artificial alts ( not that it should be ).
PI alts have already broken PI materials market and we don't need more of that.



What

Firstly - it doesn't matter where your CC is, you don't have to move it closer to resources.

Secondly - what 55mil? ( you took that out of your ass didn't you )
In most cases you just need to move your extractors ( 45,000isk ).
Whole infrastructure will cost you between 5 and 10 mil at most ( usually less ).
So once again where are you taking this 55mil from?

Thirdly - resources does move from time to time and it should cost you if you want to have optimal extraction rates all the time.

One can fly a carrier in 90 days... PI is a addition to the game , not the end game itself.


Making PI harder and involving some risk is OK , making it dumber by adding another 100 clicks per planet is counterproductive. That's like telling your wife to use 10 different mops every time she wants to clean ONE dish, or she telling you to get 10 lawnmowers to cut 1sqm of grass.
Yeah , a lot less people will put up with that, but i think this is actually a game for fun- lets make carriers require 1 year of training and they jump only when you click 20 times different menus, select 10 parameters, solve a Partial Differential Equation (power 3) and send a petition to ccp...


I got scout alt, cyno alt , indy alt , dictor alt, transport alt and carrier main they all are part of my fun in this game.
Look , i am nor arguing alts for PI is balanced. Everyone uses alts for some reason, its easyer and less risk involved. Sometimes more alts means more profit - almost everyone have market alt in jita/other hub - that's a bare minimum. But suggesting that balancing PI clickage is adding more of it "couse it will be easy and everyone will do it , spend more clicks for reward" - that's farmville. Here we play spaceships. Add risks, add ambushing pirates when you go for loot. Add wide zone alerts and glowing custom officess like a cyno when you get stuff out. Add land forced to combat the greedy bastards trying to steal your pi mats. Sure. That was what dust should be about , right ?
But add more tediousness to balance it ? Offer something better next time.

+1 for naming colonies. The rest I can't talk about since I optimise my planets to require as little management as possible

Thing is - if your the only deffence for a ****** mechanics is "keep it painfull or more people will use it" - then you have a problem with the mechanics or the game have problem with it. Either way my post is about interface improvements.
There is other threads where people can discuss what is wrong with PI - weather its alts, queues, reactions or desirability (planet vehicle hey ho).
My post was about badly thought out (if any) tedios tasks that can e redesigned to make PI more workable for the average joe - seting one planet and copy pasting it to 5 is not a "big pharma" problem.
Moving extraction heads one by one 8x4 planets (32 heads) watching pretty colours update - do not make a newbie smarter or it will make someone wants to do PI more.
Click factory , build factory , connect factory with pad , select blueprint , route stuff to pad, pad materials route to factory ... Now repeat this 10 times - this is not a job, this was supposed to be fun.

Also the big guy that you spoke of - well there is market people making more, there is production people managing few hours queue to make more - they invested heavy on their industry. The big guy - he descided to go hard on PI , how much chars that is (60planets/5)/3 = 12/3 accounts , 4 accounts = plexes x500mil =2bil. So assuming he has 5 bil left, for 2h/d - average null sec ratting rate is ~50mil(could be alot more actually as i make 22mil tics+ loot ~10mil to tick) 30d*2h*50mil = 3bil. So his actual profit is 2bil. If you factor a random dread gurista (yeah i am in gents) for ~100mil a day 30x100 = 3bil. So he could make those money just ratting and looting. There is more profitable enterprises out there too. Everyone choses how to spend his time. We had a guy with 14 accounts, he did not mine , he did not rat, he was hauling stuff for 3 alliances 0.0-jita. Made enough money for supers.

The core of the mechanics - have to be discussed elsewhere. I am here for interfaces. Things that could be done better, smarter and this will not disbalance PI. Adding more demand for its products and balancing out moongoo with PI would do alot of good things. For example sov would mean more outside the tech moons. But for now - lets talk about interfaces outside the "make it mind numbling so less ppl do it".

PS : i remember an artcle about discussing the new 500 eu banknotes. And the journalist claimed "this would let gangsters go with smaller suitcases, we realy need to take into account all implications". Thats the same as "if you make it less boring and idiotic - more people will use it for bad stuff, like errrm more eve play ?

Few days passed and apparently CCP do not read or respond to PI treads.
Neither someone cares from the community.
Until any changes are made to PI interface - i am just dropping the exercise.
If i wanted a clickage game i would have played diablo or random flash game.
PI is not and should not be a cornerstone of eve, at least not in the neandertalish interface of today.
Consequently an account is out of the picture.

PS : this is not a threat or anything to ccp. But as i am not paid well enough to do midless clicking(when there is so easyer way) in a game - i see no reason to continue paying for my third account, that was supposed to be PI centered. Take care.

+1 PI has become better since it started , remember all the extractor you had to click each time .

Tho there is enough room for improvement as written in here .

Please note that some of your ideas around PI have been included in this proposal to expand PI: