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Kestutis Fujika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-07-25 17:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kestutis Fujika
How they can prove that account was shared? If its not runned 23/7
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-07-25 18:18:21 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
You pay money to CCP to set up an account. If two players with different game time requirements, piggy back on that account and play on the same characters, that is the account sharing that CCP want to halt. Basically they want both players to subscribe to their own dedicated accounts and thus pay two sets of fees to CCP. The most extreme flags that show in those circumstances is the same account being played 23/7 without the player taking any breaks in play. Why would anyone let someone else play their characters like this? Gold Farming to produce ISK to sell by RMT (Real Money Traders) is the classic example of account sharing.

Sharing the same computer is irrelevant to CCP. Many players have multiple accounts, I for example have two. I log onto both on the same computer and play them at the same time. CCP are perfectly happy with this, all they care about is getting two lots of fees.


You are complete and utterly wrong. CCP has never done anything about account shareing in itself. They don't care if family members share the same accounts or if somebody is changing skills for a friend. If they can't make a sale they can't make a sale, no matter how the relationships of those involved look like.

The big problem for CCP, and the sole reason why account sharing is a EULA violation, is that GMs can't tell who is sitting in front of a computer at any given time. If there is any dispute between two players (who may or may not have done account sharing) or between a GM and a player, the excuse: "I gave him my password and he did it!", becomes invalid all by itself. Even if you sue CCP over a termination of service you will be out of luck, if you don't keep your login credentials a secret.

They don't pretend to prohibit account sharing because they want to make more money (that wont work anyway) but because they have to be able to win a law suit.

For the OP that means he would have to prove in curt that he didn't gain the login/password of his friend if anything goes wrong. Since he can't do that, he has to be really really careful what his friend is doing in game. If there is any ISK transfer between those two accounts in addition to the account sharing (seen from side of a GM, he can't know who is in your living room) and there is any GM actions against any of the accounts, the OP will share the punishment for sure. If there is a single login from the same host a GM will most likely not do anything. If he does, don't even try to complain.


This.

In easier words:

Say Person A gives his username and password to Person B.

Person B is evil and decides to change the password of the account so that Person A can't log into his account anymore.
Person A then goes to CCP complaining and explaining what happened. CCP will respond: Sorry can't help you, according to the EULA account sharing is NOT allowed. Have a nice day and open a new account =)

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-07-25 18:20:03 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
How they can prove that account was shared? If its not runned 23/7


Log in IPs, they can check if multiple people log into from same place or if an account is logged in from multiple places. Usually they don't look unless there is a reason to look at it.

But CCP can of course see if a person logs out in the UK and only minutes later logs in with a US IP that the account is shared.

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Kestutis Fujika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-07-25 18:34:56 UTC
Ip is not a proof. I know alot of place where for some unknown reasons they have of other country. Like in my for place it shows that i have Estonian ip and i even no close to it by log shot.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#25 - 2012-07-25 20:07:37 UTC
EULA clause is there so that if there comes problems with sharing an account they can say "told you so" and leave it to that.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#26 - 2012-07-25 21:42:28 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
How they can prove that account was shared? If its not runned 23/7


They don't actually care all that much. If the "sharing" is something like you calling your friend and having him fix your skill queue while you're on vacation somewhere with no internet, or your ******* roommate typing in your corp chat to mess with your corpmates, that's not really something that CCP is losing a subscription over, and I would wager that even if a GM found out about it all you'd get is a sternly-worded Eve-mail telling you to quit it, if that.

What they don't want is two or more people playing the game on a single subscription, because that involves them not getting their 15$/month from someone that's using their product. There's a level of judgement call involved on the enforcer's part here, obviously, and generally speaking they're going to be somewhat reasonable about this.

(Addendum: If your account is getting logged in from two extremely geographically distinct locations a lot, you're going to get investigated, but that'll be because they suspect someone is hacking your account, not a ToS violation investigation.)
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