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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#21 - 2012-07-25 16:22:26 UTC
Just add more interactivity to moon mining, as opposed to -

1) deploy pos
2) click buttan
3) do nothing for a week or two
4) receive golden bacon
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-07-25 16:25:30 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
three out of the four alliances you named have tech moons, and pl has more than we do you nitwit



right PL do not have more than you dont talk nonsense, secondly the only reason the others have tech moons is becuase you guys did a deal with them!

also stop taking everything so damn personal, i am actually talking about large alliances overall, just the matter of fact you guys are the biggest alliance with the most control over eve with the most moons.. so get used to people referring to you dumbass..

feel free to verify: pl largely holds most of venal and lowsec tech
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2012-07-25 16:25:53 UTC
goonswarm has precisely 65 tech moons
Lord MuffloN
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-07-25 16:28:01 UTC
"Abloo bloo bloo instead of fixing bottlenecks or imbalances CCP should remove them from their current owners (who I totally on an unrelated note despise) forcefully through extreme measures to give ME a chance to get a personal tech moon!"

Instead of say, doing it all properly.

I'd rather we use Zagdul's idea of having racial t2 production and distribution, but it's too good to be true.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-07-25 16:32:27 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).

The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.

I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-07-25 16:34:41 UTC
Soi Mala wrote:
Just add more interactivity to moon mining, as opposed to -

1) deploy pos
2) click buttan
3) do nothing for a week or two
4) receive golden bacon

There IS interactivity, it's called defending and attacking valuable assets. CCP doesn't need to add anything to this.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
evereplicant
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-07-25 16:35:59 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).

The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.

I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing.



its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group..
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-07-25 16:41:45 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).

The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.

I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing.



its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group..

That's entirely the point. Are you seriously suggesting we should just remove rare commodities from the game altogether and remove incentives for people to fight for what they want (or to defend what they have)?

If you're not willing to fight for it, you don't deserve to have it. End of story.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
evereplicant
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-07-25 16:48:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).

The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.

I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing.



its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group..

That's entirely the point. Are you seriously suggesting we should just remove rare commodities from the game altogether and remove incentives for people to fight for what they want (or to defend what they have)?

If you're not willing to fight for it, you don't deserve to have it. End of story.


Nope i never said that did i? I said they should be spread evenly throughout eve...
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-07-25 16:49:58 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Nope i never said that did i? I said they should be spread evenly throughout eve...

That really doesn't solve the problem - in fact it will probably make things worse.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
Fraternity.
#31 - 2012-07-25 16:49:59 UTC
'Step 1'
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-07-25 16:50:01 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).

The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.

I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing.



its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group..

That's entirely the point. Are you seriously suggesting we should just remove rare commodities from the game altogether and remove incentives for people to fight for what they want (or to defend what they have)?

If you're not willing to fight for it, you don't deserve to have it. End of story.


Nope i never said that did i? I said they should be spread evenly throughout eve...


Spread evenly, thus making them less rare. You're not making sense. Does evenly include high sec industrials?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-07-25 16:51:24 UTC
RAGE QU1T wrote:
The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE".


I think technetium is a R32 moon, not 64.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Robert Warner
Back Door Burglars
#34 - 2012-07-25 17:02:55 UTC
Just to clarify a few details on this one:

Tech moons were all grouped together to encourage dynamic state of play over those regions. CCP forcasted that these regions would be heavily contested as many alliances would vie for moon control.

What happened was that a single cartel took dominant, uncontested control of these moons.


The only real solution to the problem is to convert the moon goo supply to a game play dependant mechanic. A complete re-think of null sec would be required to implement this while still offering significant strategic advantages of holding some regions over others (because let's face it, there needs to be something to fight over).
Perhaps a re-think on the scaling, significance and distribution of system sec level is required.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-07-25 17:05:02 UTC
Robert Warner wrote:
Just to clarify a few details on this one:

Tech moons were all grouped together to encourage dynamic state of play over those regions. CCP forcasted that these regions would be heavily contested as many alliances would vie for moon control.

What happened was that a single cartel took dominant, uncontested control of these moons.



Untrue

Dotland should be your friend.

brb
Ginger Barbarella
#36 - 2012-07-25 17:06:09 UTC
Wow, this thread is full of all kinds of fail. I like it. :)

Keep up the awesome poasting!!

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#37 - 2012-07-25 17:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Wow, this thread is full of all kinds of fail. I like it. :)

Keep up the awesome poasting!!


Why bother?

We already know that Alchemy is being put in place as a simple, temporary, safety valve.

We also know that Tech distribution, moon mining, and T2 production in general are next on the list for being reworked.

Anything else at this point in time is mental masturbati0n.

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-07-25 17:28:03 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:

redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea

if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons


Making it fade in/out is a good idea. Anyway you said you have 160K reasons, but then you didn't post a single one. Wtf?
Danfen Fenix
#39 - 2012-07-25 17:41:38 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:

redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea

if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons


Making it fade in/out is a good idea. Anyway you said you have 160K reasons, but then you didn't post a single one. Wtf?


I'll agree with him that fade in/out is a horrible idea, unless the resource stays on the moon (moving it to another moon is would just be completely...*shudders*)

It would be nice though for the almost complete 'dominance' of it in the North to be taken away, even if slightly though (either by adding more in the south, removing quite a bit from the North, or a bit of both. I'd go with the last P). I can understand why CCP did it like it is (to create a contested area)...but having just one main set in a quite small area, leads to the current situation. The moons need to be scattered that slight bit more around 0.0, with a goal of creating a wide area of conflict (pockets across all of 0.0), rather than trying to make one or two specific areas catalysts.
Ezra Tair
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-07-25 17:46:02 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Have you tried taking the moons for yourself? Cause i can guarantee thats how goons did it.



As I recall, they had a entire region given to them.