EVE New Citizens Q&A

My best friend is here, in my place and forgot to set up his skill queue, can i let him log in into his acount in my computer, set up his skill queue, and then get back to my account to play?

It will only be ONE minute, too set up the queue, but i heard about accout sharing being bannable, and cammon, 1 minute is not account sharing, but im scared of loosing all the time i put into this game already...

but what is the difference between acount sharing, and computer sharing, plz forgive me for being over cautious.

The difference is that the End User Licence Agreement and Terms of Service do not cover your private property like your computer, coffee machine or carpets, only the virtual EVE account and CCP software and websites.

You login to your friend's account: bannable
Your friend logging into his account from your computer: ok

You can probably figure out the limitations of enforcing EULA in this regard, and the extent of general human honesty required to keep these kinds of agreements going.

As far as I know, CCP doesn't give a damn about what computer you log into EVE with. And even if they did, they can't know if you log into EVE from your own computer or a friend's.

CCP doesn't, however, like it when players share accounts. The way I understand Account sharing, it's when two people actively share an account. Not just when two people who trust eachother let the other look after their skill-queues.

You need to realise what CCP are concerned about and then it becomes a lot easier to work out the tell tale flags of that behaviour and then whether you are doing anything wrong.

You pay money to CCP to set up an account. If two players with different game time requirements, piggy back on that account and play on the same characters, that is the account sharing that CCP want to halt. Basically they want both players to subscribe to their own dedicated accounts and thus pay two sets of fees to CCP. The most extreme flags that show in those circumstances is the same account being played 23/7 without the player taking any breaks in play. Why would anyone let someone else play their characters like this? Gold Farming to produce ISK to sell by RMT (Real Money Traders) is the classic example of account sharing.

Sharing the same computer is irrelevant to CCP. Many players have multiple accounts, I for example have two. I log onto both on the same computer and play them at the same time. CCP are perfectly happy with this, all they care about is getting two lots of fees.

Your friend logging onto his account through your computer is irrelevant to CCP. There are two players and two paid accounts.

You getting your friends account details and logging on as him to fix his skill queue is techically in breech of the account sharing policy. However, there is virtually no way CCP will be able to detect that and even if they could will turn a blind eye to that provided that is all you do.

If you stay logged on and play his characters for eight hours before handing it back to your friend as he wakes up on the other side of the world and then he logs on for another 10 hours session. Now they would take exception to that, but it would probably take a few goes before they detected the pattern and acted.

You are complete and utterly wrong. CCP has never done anything about account shareing in itself. They don't care if family members share the same accounts or if somebody is changing skills for a friend. If they can't make a sale they can't make a sale, no matter how the relationships of those involved look like.

The big problem for CCP, and the sole reason why account sharing is a EULA violation, is that GMs can't tell who is sitting in front of a computer at any given time. If there is any dispute between two players (who may or may not have done account sharing) or between a GM and a player, the excuse: "I gave him my password and he did it!", becomes invalid all by itself. Even if you sue CCP over a termination of service you will be out of luck, if you don't keep your login credentials a secret.

They don't pretend to prohibit account sharing because they want to make more money (that wont work anyway) but because they have to be able to win a law suit.

For the OP that means he would have to prove in curt that he didn't gain the login/password of his friend if anything goes wrong. Since he can't do that, he has to be really really careful what his friend is doing in game. If there is any ISK transfer between those two accounts in addition to the account sharing (seen from side of a GM, he can't know who is in your living room) and there is any GM actions against any of the accounts, the OP will share the punishment for sure. If there is a single login from the same host a GM will most likely not do anything. If he does, don't even try to complain.

And anything the chars have access to. It gets real fun when stuff vanishes from corp hangars and somebody claims to have been hacked. Since cunning individuals take great pride in obtaining login details from members of the public, the situation is not in your control anymore. (That's a general rule when computers are involved.)

It doesn't matter to the GM what excuse you have for account sharing. A ban's a ban.

As longer you play a char as less worth account sharing gets. You may gain hours in resource gaining or skill time but you lose years of investment into a char. If you don't have to (because you are on deployment, hospital) avoid account sharing, it's not worth the risk.

... that would make any corp thief a happy chap. If you want to hide stuff put it on an inactive account that was activated for at least 30 days.

I am not "Completely and utterly wrong", don't be such an obnoxious troll. CCP do care about Account Sharing for that very reason. However, the fact that they don't appear to do much about it, is simply because it is very difficult to detect that it is going on. I did in fact say in a later paragraph that CCP will turn a blind eye to the minimalistic account sharing being talked about here. But in the case where 2 or more individuals work shifts and play the account round the clock, CCP are going to have a problem with and it is all about lost revenue. Now lets not go off at a tangent about what those individuals are doing, there could be a perfectly legitimate reason. Two brothers for example, one who works night shifts. If you think CCP accept that you are incredibly naive. What's to stop me advertising for a player to share my account during my downtime? The EULA! In the main this clause is an empty threat if account sharing is done in moderation as it can't be detected. But in the case where an account is being actively run 23/7 there is only two explanations, either botting or account sharing. Now you're saying one of those reasons is actually ok - idiot.

Sure the EULA is also about covering CCP's ass legally. But ... well frankly the rest of your rambling just doesn't make any sense, it is like you just got all worked up and forgot what point you were trying to make.