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Why super cap and titan changes are wrong!!!
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miningtool
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-10 23:36:53 UTC
supers caps with all the implants and x-types ehp is as follow (not including fleet boosting)

Aeon 55m ehp
Hel 30m ehp
Nyx 36m ehp
Wyvern 43m ehp

now if you neut them out

Aeon 21m ehp
Hel 7.7m ehp
Nyx 15.3m ehp
Wyvern 9.4m ehp

logged off by not nueted

Aeon 19m ehp
Hel 23m ehp
Nyx 16m ehp
Wyvern 25m ehp

now if they are logged off and nueted their ehp is

Aeon 6.5m ehp
Hel 4.5m ehp
Nyx 6.3m ehp
Wyvern 4.4m ehp

While doomsday changes are needed with the ever growing number of titans a lot of these other changes are unnecessary. The nc lost their space because they were unwilling to log in and defend it. Its funny how the DRF was unable to invade goons.

The only real changes that are necessary are the doomsday, super caps being limited to fighters/bombers and the log off mechanic.

Changing their drone bay to barely be better than a thanatos on a wyvern is just silly!
miningtool
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-11 02:40:00 UTC
EVE has never been about being balanced (hybrids have been terrible how long now?) The game is about figuring out how to counter your opponent with the ships you can field.

Spoiler alert: the key to killing super caps is turning their hardeners off

a Wyvern with hardeners has 43m ehp
a Wyvern without hardeners has 12m ehp

so lets say you field a 100 man fleet which anyone who is taking on super caps should be able to field and its a easy number. also your fielding hurricanes because they are cheap.

canes deal 500dps and nuet out 360gj every 12 seconds per ship

so in 36 seconds you turn the hardeners off on any super cap with this fleet

in another 240 seconds you would melt the Wyvern off the field with 50k dps killing 20b with 4b isk worth of ships


Now if the Wyvern had tried logging off it would only have 4m ehp because you lose skill bonuses and implants so it would only take 80 seconds to melt it off the field with a 100man cane fleet
Quark Valhala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-11 07:00:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Quark Valhala
miningtool wrote:
EVE has never been about being balanced (hybrids have been terrible how long now?) The game is about figuring out how to counter your opponent with the ships you can field.

Spoiler alert: the key to killing super caps is turning their hardeners off

a Wyvern with hardeners has 43m ehp
a Wyvern without hardeners has 12m ehp

so lets say you field a 100 man fleet which anyone who is taking on super caps should be able to field and its a easy number. also your fielding hurricanes because they are cheap.

canes deal 500dps and nuet out 360gj every 12 seconds per ship

so in 36 seconds you turn the hardeners off on any super cap with this fleet

in another 240 seconds you would melt the Wyvern off the field with 50k dps killing 20b with 4b isk worth of ships


Now if the Wyvern had tried logging off it would only have 4m ehp because you lose skill bonuses and implants so it would only take 80 seconds to melt it off the field with a 100man cane fleet


LOL at this if your wyrven gets chaught while your jewing a sanctum by a 100man gang and you dont have 100 canes on your side its your own fault.

And BTW log offski should not even be an option. Or at least be 15x longer before it removes you from field.... If you dont have a hic on you.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#4 - 2011-10-11 07:03:29 UTC
miningtool wrote:
Its funny how the DRF was unable to invade goons.


the DRF was never invading goons, just to start with.