EVE General Discussion

Oh, and this:

Because it's Eve, and that's how it works? If you don't like it, stay outta lowsec with your 3,000-kill pirate alt.


Why *shouldn't* you?


Uhh...what?

it's not so much about forcing as screaming about how hisec mission runners and miners aren't really "playing the game" and basically being on the receiving end for lots of scorn and verbal abuse. Many of us WANT to PVP more, so we are mislabeled.. We just need to do it casually (as we have lives that take presedence) and with actual fun guys instead of asshats.. So since thats not possible it seems, we don't..

its the misconception here that is the issue in my eyes. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar basically.

Oh I'm here. He calleth my name and I shall answer!

Like I said, i was in Veto Corp (low sec pirate corp at that time), and have been in 0.0 Sov "fun" for months. I know what it can be like, for better or worse. I am sure you are correct, but how MANY of the 0.0 people have it like that? My experience was mixed. If we couldn't join up regularly for PVP fleets, we either had to leave or pay. With the logistics that are part of 0.0, thats not what i want to have as part of my online gaming casual fun.


on a side note though, if your corp is so casual and fun in 0.0, do you need people? :)

We are both amateur pvpers (im out of it), miners and explorers (lived in WH space as well).

Well you still have to remain active to stay in corp. You can't disapeer for a few months without telling anyone and not expect to be kicked. But as far as Ive experienced most guys understand RL always comes first, you just gotta drop em a line (not gonna lie that there's definately the unreasonable types out there but I personally havnt ever met any.)

How many are like this? As far as I know the whole CFC seems to be very casual friendly. No such thing as mandatory ops. Just don't expect to stay there long if you're busy ratting while the rest of your alliance/coalition is deployed. Even when deployed they send out jabber pings for fleets. If you can't make it or don't feel like it, then no worries. At the end of the day you're there to play as part of the team and it should be something you want to do. If you just want to be in a nullsec alliance so you can get access to better ratting and occasional pvp then Sov null probably isnt for you and maybe NPC null is. I'm here because I enjoy all the daft politics/drama, large scale pvp, the small scale pvp and the higher income definately helps.

Logistics isn't all that much of a problem. The most issue I've had with it is spending 15-30mins per convoy fleet moving a few ships down to delve last month. If it's that bad just move one and/or buy a few out there. edit- just gonna add that GSF, my alliance and I'm pretty sure most other cfc alliances have a pretty epic logistics team who are heroes at moving stuff en masse and putting up contracts for fully fitted doctrine ships (like many other alliances I imagine)

In answer to your side note more people are always welcome as long as they contribute to the group/team/community. We'd be stupid to turn good players away.

And yea not gonna lie, I'm pretty amateur but I have my fun.

Edit- by all means people can do what they want to do. I just can't help but point out when people do/don't do things for all the wrong reasons.

OP never had any content anyways.

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This is actually true in many cases. I've seen someone talking in local some time ago, who asked if someone wanted a fair 1v1 in high-sec. One carebear started accepting the challenge and actually seemed to be serious about wanting to fight. Then, shortly before they were supposed to fight, the carebear just said he needed to go a few jumps over to pick up some modules for his ship, and disappeared from local, never to be seen in that system again that week. You could call him a coward, but I'm not sure the word covers that degree of cowardice. For the sake of not upsetting anyone (and because I don't remember their names, nor the exact date), I've decided to leave out their names.

To the OP - And yet you found time in your busy schedule to reply to me. I'd call you a hypocrite but thats already obvious to anyone with a brain.

The simple fact is that when you speak about lowsec you're generalising a group that cant be generalised, there is no one way that any of us who live in lowsec play the game. Ill give you an example, lets take The United and The Tuskers, both lowsec based pvp corps and yet they couldnt be more different in how they operate.

I'll give you a runthough of each, pay attention as I dont feel like saying this more than once. Before I start if any tuskers or united members want to chip in and correct me/throw things and shout rude words at me for getting stuff wrong please feel free, this is just my impressions.

The United are gatecampers pure and simple, they choose to play by locking down rancer and its highsec entrances. Theyve developed effective tactics to allow them to avoid camp crashers and maximise their kills while minimising the risk they expose themselves to. Whenever they fight its on their terms and at their choosing and its all about low risk kills, loot and tears, not really my cup of tea but its a valid playstyle none the less.

The Tuskers are pirates in the purest sense of the word, a small group that seeks profit and fun by fighting. They specialise in small gangs (around a dozen ships or less is normal from what I've seen) and have made a point of sticking to a code of honour which is publiclly available (see also their thread elsewhere on the forums about a third party ransom service to overcome the recent problems those pvpers who like to ransom have faced). Main focus is on finding enjoyable fights, although they certainly wont pass up a juicy killmail if they can get one, with risk being much less of a factor.

I know im probably wasting my time with this but please try to think a bit more before you decide to broadstroke everyone as the same thing when they certainly arent.

rofl, umad?

But yea, you prove my point, you think that the total destruction of your "good idea" is trollling. it' isn't, it's just a bad idea from someone who can't figure out a video game, then gets mad at everyone else for pointing that out lol,

EVE isn't that hard for the rest of us, you might try adapting before asking for sweeping rules changes.

As far as my experiences go, I've seen it two ways. A number of years ago I flew with a few 0.0 alliances and they were as you described earlier: no fun, lots of yelling FC's, mandatory ops, etc etc. And to be perfectly honest, those alliances (or alliances with a similar structure) still exist.

However, I've recently joined TEST, and it completely blew away all my past preconceptions of what a 0.0 alliance was. It was amazing, people actually having fun and enjoying each other. I've had no mandatory ops, no one yelling at me in fleet, and no one caring if I get my failfit rifter blown up.

I'm always astounded at the vitriol hurdled at the CFC and HBC on this board, because from my perspective they're the only ones doing it right. They specifically seek out newbros, and are a huge source of new players entering the Eve. They make ops fun and enjoyable, to the point where we can get more people in our fleet by simply offering it than other alliances can by making it mandatory. I've received nothing but respect and new friends since joining, and now that I'm here I see how much I missed out on when I was on my own in high and low sec space.

I guess what I'm getting at is that there are plenty of fun and casual 0.0 alliances. I might log on once or twice a week for an hour or two, pick up on some fleet that's going out, and have a good time. Lack of time, ISK, or skill is no excuse for not coming to null sec.