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Top 10 reasons high sec PVP is better than 0.0
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Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#1 - 2012-07-22 23:32:56 UTC

1. No Supercaps.

2. No Caps.

3. No bubbles.

4. No Interdictor bubbles.

5. No HIC bubbles.

6. No bombs.

7. Ambient traffic/players/misc. fluff to blend in with. (Yes, I know, ship IDs. Don't start.)

8. No jump bridges.

9. Briefs > boxers?

10. Did I mention to Supercaps?


Basically, 0.0 is the equivalent of playing BF3 trying to fight as a ground troop when everyone else is using tanks. The only way to compete is to get your own tank. It's not that 0.0 PVP is inherently less sophisticated, it's just that CCP has made it too easy and given the player base too many "I WIN" buttons. When was the last time you saw a swarm of interceptors spiraling their way towards an enemy battleship fleet in order to keep their transversal up so they can actually make the 200km across and tackle a few BS?

Now we just plop a 'dictor on 'em, drop a bubble and fly off. Easy button if I ever saw one. You can guess the rest: jump bridges, Titans. You get the idea.

Subcapital PVP, best PVP.

Too bad you have to rub elbows with the carebear highsec scum to do it.

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-22 23:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Have you tried low sec?

Edit: Or did you really mean high sec?

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Crimsonjade
Reikoku
Plug N Play
#3 - 2012-07-22 23:39:31 UTC
awsome. i guess no one use non corp alts to rep them anymore. Roll
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2012-07-22 23:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
Scrub pvp.
Highsec pvp is nothing but very risky neutral remote reps on station undocks.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#5 - 2012-07-22 23:44:10 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:

... 0.0 is the equivalent of playing BF3 trying to fight as a ground troop when everyone else is using tanks...


C4

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Insidious.
#6 - 2012-07-22 23:45:34 UTC
What's high-sec? is that like... where you can't shoot anyone or something?
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#7 - 2012-07-22 23:48:13 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:

1. No Supercaps.

2. No Caps.

3. No bubbles.

4. No Interdictor bubbles.

5. No HIC bubbles.

6. No bombs.

7. Ambient traffic/players/misc. fluff to blend in with. (Yes, I know, ship IDs. Don't start.)

8. No jump bridges.

9. Briefs > boxers?

10. Did I mention to Supercaps?


Basically, 0.0 is the equivalent of playing BF3 trying to fight as a ground troop when everyone else is using tanks. The only way to compete is to get your own tank. It's not that 0.0 PVP is inherently less sophisticated, it's just that CCP has made it too easy and given the player base too many "I WIN" buttons. When was the last time you saw a swarm of interceptors spiraling their way towards an enemy battleship fleet in order to keep their transversal up so they can actually make the 200km across and tackle a few BS?

Now we just plop a 'dictor on 'em, drop a bubble and fly off. Easy button if I ever saw one. You can guess the rest: jump bridges, Titans. You get the idea.

Subcapital PVP, best PVP.

Too bad you have to rub elbows with the carebear highsec scum to do it.


Yes, yes.

The question is:

Which alliance rejected your application?
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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#8 - 2012-07-22 23:51:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Spank
edited due to revealing top secret information for top diplomatic eyes only.

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Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-07-22 23:51:52 UTC
oh you forgot an 11th reason.....

NO ONE SHOOTS BACK and the po-po come every time!!! w00t!
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#10 - 2012-07-22 23:52:00 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Have you tried low sec?

Edit: Or did you really mean high sec?


That's kind of funny actually. Mostly because you and I have never agreed on much on the forums, but you would know me by my original character. Which I won't disclose of course. :)

But, suffice to say, I've spent 95% of my Eve career in low sec, in some manner or other. DoV's track record should be enough.

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-07-22 23:54:34 UTC
Top 10 reasons 0.0 PVP is better than high sec:


  1. Neutral RR
  2. Neutral RR
  3. Neutral RR
  4. Neutral RR
  5. Neutral RR
  6. Neutral RR
  7. Neutral RR
  8. Neutral RR
  9. Neutral RR
  10. Neutral RR
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#12 - 2012-07-22 23:55:13 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Scrub pvp.
Highsec pvp is nothing but very risky neutral remote reps on station undocks.


That's only if you choose to engage the enemy like that. If you do it on your own terms, you can dictate combat far more easily than in 0.0.

And what's worse? Neutral RR or 0.0 hot drops and Titan bridges?


And to no one in particular: you can still get hot dropped in low sec...

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#13 - 2012-07-23 00:02:59 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Top 10 reasons 0.0 PVP is better than high sec:


  1. Neutral RR
  2. Neutral RR
  3. Neutral RR
  4. Neutral RR
  5. Neutral RR
  6. Neutral RR
  7. Neutral RR
  8. Neutral RR
  9. Neutral RR
  10. Neutral RR


If CCP made all RR actions the same as aggression and locked players out of docking/jumping the same as when in combat, would that be enough to fix the problem? What if anyone that repped a war target JUST ONCE while the war is on, gets added to the war for the duration of the war? Twisted

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-07-23 00:05:27 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Ammzi wrote:
Scrub pvp.
Highsec pvp is nothing but very risky neutral remote reps on station undocks.


That's only if you choose to engage the enemy like that. If you do it on your own terms, you can dictate combat far more easily than in 0.0.

And what's worse? Neutral RR or 0.0 hot drops and Titan bridges?


And to no one in particular: you can still get hot dropped in low sec...



what's worse? Do you even have to ask? I'll take getting a titan dropped on my blob over 1 war target undocking with 9 RR ships to back him every single time.

The LULZ Boat.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-07-23 00:07:04 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
It's not that 0.0 PVP is inherently less sophisticated, it's just that CCP has made it too easy and given the player base too many "I WIN" buttons.


Interesting question: if every faction has an "I WIN" button, is it still an "I WIN" button?
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#16 - 2012-07-23 00:15:32 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:

1. No Supercaps.

2. No Caps.

3. No bubbles.

4. No Interdictor bubbles.

5. No HIC bubbles.

6. No bombs.

7. Ambient traffic/players/misc. fluff to blend in with. (Yes, I know, ship IDs. Don't start.)

8. No jump bridges.

9. Briefs > boxers?

10. Did I mention to Supercaps?


Basically, 0.0 is the equivalent of playing BF3 trying to fight as a ground troop when everyone else is using tanks. The only way to compete is to get your own tank. It's not that 0.0 PVP is inherently less sophisticated, it's just that CCP has made it too easy and given the player base too many "I WIN" buttons. When was the last time you saw a swarm of interceptors spiraling their way towards an enemy battleship fleet in order to keep their transversal up so they can actually make the 200km across and tackle a few BS?

Now we just plop a 'dictor on 'em, drop a bubble and fly off. Easy button if I ever saw one. You can guess the rest: jump bridges, Titans. You get the idea.

Subcapital PVP, best PVP.

Too bad you have to rub elbows with the carebear highsec scum to do it.


Get out

.
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#17 - 2012-07-23 00:23:47 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
It's not that 0.0 PVP is inherently less sophisticated, it's just that CCP has made it too easy and given the player base too many "I WIN" buttons.


Interesting question: if every faction has an "I WIN" button, is it still an "I WIN" button?


Actually, that's a very good question. How many Titans are in game now, to date? And how many SCs?

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#18 - 2012-07-23 00:41:42 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Top 10 reasons 0.0 PVP is better than high sec:


  1. Neutral RR
  2. Neutral RR
  3. Neutral RR
  4. Neutral RR
  5. Neutral RR
  6. Neutral RR
  7. Neutral RR
  8. Neutral RR
  9. Neutral RR
  10. Neutral RR
So you're saying that once they fix "Neutral RR", highsec pvp will indeed be better than 0.0 pvp?

Post with your monkey.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#19 - 2012-07-23 00:43:20 UTC
1. get ur own rr

or

2. shoot the rr's

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-07-23 00:47:18 UTC
A character thats neutral and reps a guy whos in combat should be CONCORDED end of story.

Guy 1 fights Guy 2.
Wild Neutral Logi appears

SCENARIO 1
Neutral logi has guns and helps Guy 1 by shooting Guy 2
Fight is now 2v1
Wild Neutral Logi gets CONCORDOKKEN'd

SCENARIO 2
Neutral Logi has reps and helps Guy 1 by repping him so that Guy 2 cant effectively damage him
Fight is now 2v1
Concord does nothing

Now, to me theres really not much of a difference in these 2 scenarios, its Neut logi helping a fight that he, according to game mechanics, has no place in. But somehow this.. Well when you put it like this, it really just seems like an exploit, idk why it isnt really.
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