Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I like the idea. Something for Logi players to look at getting as well as combat pilots. I'd make sure the bridge version as T2 resists as well since it could be used as a logi platform and would need to be defensible.

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I figured that was what you were going for, but why would anyone pay the cost of a black ops ship just to bridge people to a fight and then sit hidden somewhere until the fight is over?

What I was thinking of, since it is a T2 BS and has a high cost, was have a pure utility ship worth the cost. Cloak, reps, cyno, heavy defense, and the ability to project fleets around. Maybe have logi 5 as a prereq. Then you'd have a ship that could stay in the fight tossing out reps, able to take some fire, and worth the cost. This would also give a tiered progression to logistics from T1 cruiser, T2 cruiser, BS, then Carrier.

Or they could just add a +jump range per level bonus, because the cloaked velocity bonus owns bones.

+1 for you good sir

The idea is not to make it into a refit platform, just to make it more of a pre bridge and post battle support ship. Dont get me wrong I like the idea a lot but i think it gives it a little too much utility.

As for the second idea I honestly didnt think of that, good catch. Ill have to think of a new role bonus for the bridger, watch this space.

CCP should really look into this idea… have more variety of T2 BS…. just like cruisers… there are the force recon and combat recon vessels

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I have been pondering the same idea's and ironically was in the middle of a huge write up involving this very idea. Splitting the covert and the combat roles like the Recons makes complete sense. I was leaning more towards an evolution of the combat recon with my thoughts.

Have the Combat Black-Ops be powerful Ewar platforms with jump drives, instead of creating new capital ships to act as Ewar for Cap Fleets operate the combat Black-Ops as heavily tanked Ewar support for Capital fleets.
- They should not have a Cloak bonus
- They should have the jump range of about a dreadnaught
- They should have a module similar to a Triage or a Siege module that uses Stront to have their EWAR bypass EWAR immunity on Supers and Sieged/Triaged Capitals;
--the module should provide a massive bonus to EWAR used on Cap/Supers and drop the number of target down to 1, forcing the ship to focus it's EWAR on one opponent
--the Ewar Siege module should provide the effects on the targeted ship, all other conventional forms of EWAR would be disabled while in effect
--the Ewar Siege module acts as Siege/Triage modules in negative effects, cannot recieve RR, immune to conventional Ewar, inability to move/jump, 5 minute timer, etc...
- They should not have weapon damage bonuses
- They need to have T2 resists to better operate in the midst of Capitals and Supers

As for Bridging Black-Ops this ship would act as a lifeline to Black-Ops fleets, I agree with adding a small SMA but not Corp Hanger, switching bonuses to fuel used and jump range, and having the ability to fit a covops cloak. Remove 1/2 of the weapons hardpoints and add a small rep amount role bonus to the ship for after battle repairs.

A special note to CCP Santa; please can we have covops cloaked ships removed from local, I'll be a good boy! >:-)

I like this Idea, like Ruareve said, it's a really good Logistics growth plan. Maybe make some of the skills that are not a prerequisite for T2 logi cruisers but necessary to be a good pilot (multitasking for one) as the prereq's for the logistics BS.

I love all the ideas being thrown around here and I'll be frank, Black ops need longer jump range period. Tanks on Black ops are fine, nobody's going to commit a 1 billion ISK ship if they know there going to lose. For DPS there also fine, I get 1200 DPS from my torp Widow and 600 with cruise so the DPS aint the problem. The problem is the range, its a puddle jumper, its not sneaky at all and is that not the roll she plays? I say a covert ops cloak would be a super awesome + for the black ops because now people would be alot more "Clokay" with them and that would bring them out more. The fact of the matter is, Black ops are not supposed to be able to stand toe too toe with a T1 fleet. If they were then you would see Alliances like -A- and goons Spamming Black ops BS's like its going out of style. Your supposed to have the true element of surprise, except you relly dont because of local channel. Space is dangerous, SO MAKE IT ******* DANGEROUS! GIVE BLACK OPS MORE RANGE AND SCRAP LOCAL!

Some great discussion on Black Ops. It would be very nice to see the Black Ops become better as CCP continues to revamp the roles and abilities of our ships.



Very much like the idea of role assignment to Black Ops. Please continue this productive discourse, these ideas are great!