EVE General Discussion

But the game works as it is. The game has changed. You want to resist that change and go back to the "old way". But what does it matter? The bar was set in a different place for everyone, but it's in the same place for everyone. The field is still level. Change is good. Embrace it.

Well you know what you said, I dont like to copy huge walls of text.

The point is, however it works (and I still bet its simple), it worked that way allready, before fuel blocks!

Thereby rendering your point completely invalid.




YOU seem to try to resist change.


Again, there has not been any good argument against it, besides trolling, (intentional) misunderstanding and fear.

- No complex thing, has all been done before
- easy and fast to implement
- no downside
- no "more work" for anyone, if you have the isk to fuel 30 towers, you wont even need to consider the spare ozone/water every time


[edit:] And in the long run, water and ozone might go back to where they would naturally be (price wise), before this artificial inflation, everyone who has a rorqual will love it (no, I am no miner), and its still a bit less total fuel cost, what would especially benefit the smaller corps, who struggle these days with how to run their tower with isotopes as high as they are.

You are doing it wrong.

simply take a note every month or so, how much additional water/ozone is left, and when you buy new fuel, deduct what you have left, thats so simple, but ok, more work if you want to.

[edit:] ok, from what you write, you use some small haulers instead of freighters for your POS needs, and you need a whole lot of people to do that...well...maybe ask someone who knows how to do it, seriously.

It has not been "changed" in the means of removed intentionally, but it has been fallen short because of the half hearted implementation of fuel blocks, this is a difference.

Please go on and show your "plenty of downsides", besides telling how complex it is, yet its nothing new.
The "additional book-keeping" is nigh null, ofc only if you dont do stupid things book-keeping-wise.

...so where was your point? I kinda missed it over the generic, unspecific complains you made.

Your first point is a bold lie, and your second point has still no point at all.

Are you continuing to just say "Oh Noz it wut be bad!", or are you going to back it up with something smart after all?!

What points?

TLDR: The code was there, but it is gone now.

The new system was implemented to simplify the system. When that happened all the old code went bye-bye. The new systems checks to see if you have fuel, Yes or No = If yes the station works, if no it doesn't.

The old system had to check each module, its requirements, adjust for bonuses per tower, then remove a specific amount each fuel type for that station. You as a player then had to keep track of each type of fuel, calculate the amount needed, shuffle it in your ship, and get it all delivered.

What you want ADDED, which now would require NEW CODE because the old code is GONE, is a system that goes back to monitoring all the modules and do all the math for you and then return the unused portion to you. A good person to sound off in here would be a server Dev who could hopefully point out the change of load that the old system implemented vs the new system.

CCP will most likely not support adding code that will increase logistical needs for POSs, especially when they are planning on redoing the entire system in the near future. It would most likely annoy a lot of players to have to filter out the 'residue' or 'byproducts' from the POS fuel bay from what you are asking, and again, add load to the server.

You really say all this and then even DARE to ask what good it would do YOU?!?

Ever thought that LO and HW require cargo space?

Ever Thought that it would make your unfortunate and tedious hauling easier?

Yes, because our current goal is more than to minimize hauled volume per run, its to use up block makings we have lying around as efficiently as possible. (One run someone added a zero and overbought). Once that is done we will most likely switch to hauling blocks. Why? The blocks are smaller than the materials needed to make them.

Once we go to using blocks, we sure would not want to be stuck with left over HW and LO to haul out or dispose of each cycle.

CCP already included the effect of consuming all the HW and LO on logistics by making the blocks smaller than their components. Before the change we would get about 3.5 days of fuel per run, hauling blocks we would also get about 3.5 days per run.

If a change was made to have left over HW and LO, then to balance it CCP would have to make the blocks bigger, and the logistic advantage would be gone. But we would be left with the disadvantage of having to figure out what to buy each cycle, or to haul out or dispose of the extra.