EVE General Discussion

Getting in here before the fun starts

Posting because there are no better threads to post in.

Personally I feel their roles are a little too muddled (and have for a long time), but the titan tracking nerf did address the most critical issue.

During the AT, some of the developers have indicated that they're still toying with making supercarriers dockable. This would go a long way for justification for them to stay "as is" currently with roles in structure grinding and as the backbone of supercapital fleets.

Titans, of course, still have their role in logistics and maneuverability with being mobile jump bridges, and they are still great at killing other supercaps. IMO, these roles don't nearly justify their cost though.

A lot of people hated getting blapped by titans in their sub-cap ships, and I get that. However, the fact that titans COULD blap sub-cap ships had one very positive effect: people actually brought titans into danger-zone situations. This alone precipitated a number of supercap fights in the "Age of Blap".

The fact is now that titans have almost no "everyday" combat role which puts them in harms way. Generally they sit in a POS and open bridges, or maybe they join in on a structure shoot when there is precisely 0% chance of them being in any real danger. Supercarriers suffer from this to a lesser extent, but at least they are frequently deployed to grind stations/ihubs/tcus/sbus and generally in enemy-held systems, which can be KINDA dangerous, but this still isn't the kind of role that has whole enemy fleets possibly coming into contact with the supercarrier (if that happens, the intel apparatus has broken down).

It's very clear at this point that EVE has been becoming SupercapsOnline steadily for the past few years, and that's not going to change until the game mechanics change in such a way that there is incentive to use these ships FAR more often, and in ways which will start getting them caught FAR more often. Lots of those who get caught will simply die (reducing overall super population), and some of them will precipitate real supercap fights (greatly reducing overall super population).

I generally don't like to point out issues without making a suggestion on how to fix it, so here it is: First, make stations and/or ihubs attackable ONLY by non-supercaps (dreads and carriers are fine), AND reduce overall HP by maybe half for these structures. Next, add a NEW sov structure which is only attackable by supercarriers and titans. Give it TWICE the current HP of a station or ihub, and no timer. If this structure is killed by the supercaps, it nukes 80-90% of the hitpoints of the station or ihub, making it easier for the non-supercaps to kill. This can be repeated for each timer (maybe the structure the supers have to shoot regens all HP after an hour or something). Further, there could be structures keyed to specific ships like titans, for example, so maybe for a Sov 5 upgraded system (or whatever the highest is now), the structure would only be vulnerable to titans, meaning if you wanna have an easier time grinding the station in your non-supers, you gotta bring a few dozen titnas into one of your enemies stronghold systems (AFTER you have your conventional fleet take out the inevitable cyno jammer). This change would improve the game for smaller alliances, making it easier for them to capture things on a limited budget, while still allowing superpower alliances with massive super fleets to still have an advantage while forcing them to put more of their supercaps in play for longer times, making them more vulnerable to ambush.

Your kidding right? 5,10, 15 - 30 titans x 500 damage every 15 seconds that doesn't do damage to own fleet sure wouldn't be ridiculously over powered

Well something has to be done to pull titans out of the bridging role. If multiple bombs could be given reducing returns similar to modules, it would solve that problem. Might be difficult to implement from a mechanics point of view. Of course the effect could be much less, I'm just throwing out examples. Then again if your opponent has brought 30 titans and you haven't, the outcome of the battle should be fairly planar.

The ability to dock battleship and smaller sized ships onto a supercarrier for repairs and re-fitting would be a very nice feature. It may only rarely present as a practical solution, but still help to grant some new roles to the ship as fleet support.

well one of the recent changes that got slipped in is self destructing a super generates a kill mail, as CCP have stated it WILL NOT show all of the fit, just some of it.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13985906

as this shows, when it originally came through a lot of people thought it was a fake mail till it came through as api verified and still left people scratching their heads wondering "wtf??" especially the fit shown.
I believe this is actually THE first KM generated due to the change to self destructs and kill mails.

the KM is NOT malformed, it's as stated by CCP "self destruct KMs do not show all of the fit"

You do realize 75% or so of a capital ship's capacitor is required to jump, right? And that's at JDO V.

For the first one:



For the second one:

No.

what if ccp was to remove the abilety to copy suppercap BPO's ??

that would force builders to put a BPO in the CSAA and thus at risk of being destroyed and increase the prise for production without increasing mineral amounts needed :)