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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#81 - 2012-07-22 00:49:44 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:

...stuff...


It's easy to say others are paranoid when you haven't experienced crime first hand.
You live in Florida you say? Go rent an apartment in Pine Hills for a month and then we'll talk.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Cierejai
Biofuel Productions
#82 - 2012-07-22 00:50:04 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there
are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.

Gun nut FAQ:

1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.

This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery
was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.

2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.

There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled
"justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is
almost none.

3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.

Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home
invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon
you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.

4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

No actually guns kill people.

5. If citizens are not armed then the government can take over!

Lets see, Tanks, Air Force, Professional Army, Cruise Missles, Predator Drones, etc etc versus Small Arms.








>Implying unjust laws are not invalid
>Implying the victim being able to shoot back isn't a deterrence
>Implying criminals have your best interest at heart
No ****.
>Implying 80 million gun owners will lie down
>Implying the rank and file servicemen want to kill their own countrymen
>Implying the militia wouldn't blow up infrastructure

Lets give the army a little credit, even though I am not an American I find it hard to believe the rank and file would want to kill fellow Americans.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-07-22 03:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
You really have to wonder where the anti-gun weenies who ask "What good are your guns against a modern military?" have been the last 10 years we've been in Iraq, where so many of the deaths have been hit and run sniper attacks, home made IEDs, and ambushes.

Not to mention sabotage and going after soft targets. Years back, two men, one modified car, and one rifle brought Washington DC to a near standstill. What do you think would happen if Americans were in open revolution against the government? What if there were tens of thousands of hit and run snipers going after soft targets and civilian government employees?

The government would collapse because it needs a functioning economy to continue running. An armed American citizenry wins because of the impact their attacks would have on the economy and the ability of the government to maintain functioning, not by direct body count versus a professional military in head-to-head battles.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#84 - 2012-07-22 03:57:55 UTC
First, for those who might claim that Amendment 2 is "outdated because then they only has flintlocks", I would say that the same argument can be made against the first amendment becuase all they had then was the pen and the printing press.

And my argument would be helped well by that fact that imagery is proven to be a very powerful tool.


Now, how many want to bet on two thing:

1. Sheeplus Americanus is going to think you can get guns via mail order (you cannot, without a Federal Firearms License and they are not easy to get)
2. If you get a lot of gun and outdoor or surplus catalogs, which are common, you will go on a list.

source


Many of the sheep think you can still go into a store and buy a submachine gun. This has not been possible since the National Firearms Act of 1934. But Hollywood - using their First Amendment rights to LIE, often depicted gun stores as having machine guns on the shelf and ready for purchase (Terminator, Robocop, and Commando for example).

Because of this misinformation, it was easy for politicians to call for more gun control and get support from ignorant people, who get their information from a source that didn't exist when the First Amendment was written.

As for what good my guns are against a standing army - well they must have had some good, because the existing power structure appears very scared of the people these days.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-07-22 03:59:09 UTC
Cierejai wrote:
Whang'Lo wrote:
Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there
are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.

Gun nut FAQ:

1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.

This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery
was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.

2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.

There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled
"justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is
almost none.

3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.

Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home
invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon
you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.

4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

No actually guns kill people.

5. If citizens are not armed then the government can take over!

Lets see, Tanks, Air Force, Professional Army, Cruise Missles, Predator Drones, etc etc versus Small Arms.








>Implying unjust laws are not invalid
>Implying the victim being able to shoot back isn't a deterrence
>Implying criminals have your best interest at heart
No ****.
>Implying 80 million gun owners will lie down
>Implying the rank and file servicemen want to kill their own countrymen
>Implying the militia wouldn't blow up infrastructure

Lets give the army a little credit, even though I am not an American I find it hard to believe the rank and file would want to kill fellow Americans.


Well you do have the crazy ones like me that don't care who they're shooting at as long as they're shooting at someone Pirate

Not sure about the other services but the Marines have a lot of us Cool

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#86 - 2012-07-22 04:05:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Hestia Mar wrote:


I really have to respond to your post to inject at least some rationality into your world...

You offer prayers to the dead (like that's going to do them any good) and then imply that a no-gun policy won't work. Don't you think it would be more rational to ban guns and ignore religion...do both of those things and the world will be a FAR safer place than it is today.

If the US won't ban guns, ban the sale of ammo or price it exorbitantly - 10,000 dollars a round sir?


Or they could stop selling assault rifles with huge ammo drums. Handguns I get, shotguns sure, hunting rifles ok but assault rifles? Just what is the average man going to be going up against to require one of thoseUgh



Based on that idea, if that happened, and they did once and it didn't work ("Clinton gun ban" 1994 - 2004), then I want every sporty car to be taken off the road.

In fact, there are two double standards. You can get a felony conviction not related to violence or guns, and never be allowed to own a gun again, yet you can get a felony conviction wtih illegal road racing - if you get caught enough - and then after your license is suspended for a while, you can own and operate vehicles again.

Hmmmm

I knew a fellow who could not own guns because he was a road racer, and he drove a suped up truck with a nitrous bottle in it as big as a SCUBA tank.

Now, if someone can go to my rifle and say "you don't need that high capacity magazine (and people I have met who say that think more than 10 rounds is high cap), then I certainly want to see all the rice boys and car enthusiasts be told they don't need that turbocharger, nitrous, etc.

It's only fair, right?

The tens of millons of guns out there are not owned for criminal purposes, yet a car designed to go fast is in fact designed to break the law.


What I want is that if I can't be free, I want everybody to live in the same tyranny and nanny state that I do.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#87 - 2012-07-22 04:11:38 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Whang'Lo wrote:
So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.

It's the gun nuts.

I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.

Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that
almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.

And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors
in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.

Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.


Actually the 'gun nuts' are not the problem.
I know, you have this image of an evil, suburban, paunchy, 40-something NRA member.
Funny thing is, they don't really commit all that much crime.

Look at the FBI statistics.
If you somehow disarmed the inner-city gang members, the US ends up with a gun crime rate similar to...hmm...Canada.

I speak with experience when I say red states like Montana and Idaho are LOADED with 'gun nuts', and have high gun ownership rates. They have lax laws, but yet - very low gun crime rates.

Why? No black people.
Show me a state with a high percentage of blacks, and I'll show you a state with lots of gun crime - whether the state has strict laws (Washington D.C.) or not (Alabama.)

So when you say 'collectively Americans demonstrated' anything - this NRA member would prefer not to be lumped in with Crips and Bloods, thank you.





Montana is said to have on average 26 guns per household.


Funny you bring up the gangs. I recall a long time ago, some black politicians were maknig a huge gun control push, and a gun store decided to stop selling guns to all black people in support of their goals.

Sent a very clear message that caused the whole thing to be dropped.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#88 - 2012-07-22 04:49:49 UTC
Woo hoo!

I KNEW this was coming...


The shooter was a gamer....

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2012-07-22 05:37:19 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Woo hoo!

I KNEW this was coming...


The shooter was a gamer....


Quote:
In other words, this guy was equipped with exotic gear by someone with connections to military equipment.


The guy that works in the surplus store?

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#90 - 2012-07-22 06:12:11 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Woo hoo!

I KNEW this was coming...


The shooter was a gamer....


Quote:
In other words, this guy was equipped with exotic gear by someone with connections to military equipment.


The guy that works in the surplus store?




If you or I committed a crime, the investigators would eventually find out how and where we got any equipment involved.


Don't expect that kind of hard work in this case.

All you are supposed to know is, he went online and ordered everything he needed and that's why the internet and everything he ordered should be banned to keep us all safe.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#91 - 2012-07-22 09:21:39 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
First, for those who might claim that Amendment 2 is "outdated because then they only has flintlocks", I would say that the same argument can be made against the first amendment becuase all they had then was the pen and the printing press.





I'd say its more like outdated because back then they has no real standing army just the militia and a fresh invation by Britain was a very real threat.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#92 - 2012-07-22 09:26:33 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Hestia Mar wrote:


I really have to respond to your post to inject at least some rationality into your world...

You offer prayers to the dead (like that's going to do them any good) and then imply that a no-gun policy won't work. Don't you think it would be more rational to ban guns and ignore religion...do both of those things and the world will be a FAR safer place than it is today.

If the US won't ban guns, ban the sale of ammo or price it exorbitantly - 10,000 dollars a round sir?


Or they could stop selling assault rifles with huge ammo drums. Handguns I get, shotguns sure, hunting rifles ok but assault rifles? Just what is the average man going to be going up against to require one of thoseUgh



Based on that idea, if that happened, and they did once and it didn't work ("Clinton gun ban" 1994 - 2004), then I want every sporty car to be taken off the road.

In fact, there are two double standards. You can get a felony conviction not related to violence or guns, and never be allowed to own a gun again, yet you can get a felony conviction wtih illegal road racing - if you get caught enough - and then after your license is suspended for a while, you can own and operate vehicles again.

Hmmmm

I knew a fellow who could not own guns because he was a road racer, and he drove a suped up truck with a nitrous bottle in it as big as a SCUBA tank.

Now, if someone can go to my rifle and say "you don't need that high capacity magazine (and people I have met who say that think more than 10 rounds is high cap), then I certainly want to see all the rice boys and car enthusiasts be told they don't need that turbocharger, nitrous, etc.

It's only fair, right?

The tens of millons of guns out there are not owned for criminal purposes, yet a car designed to go fast is in fact designed to break the law.


What I want is that if I can't be free, I want everybody to live in the same tyranny and nanny state that I do.


Guns are built for killing things, cars are not. Having something that spits out 90 rounds a minute with a drum for 100 plus shots simply has no reason for being in the hands of a civilian. What the hell do you need that kind of firepower for other than fight a war? Or chop down trees...

If you are going to justify that kind of thing you need to come out with something smarter than that dross.
Theron Urian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-07-22 15:14:28 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.

It's the gun nuts.

I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.

Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that
almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.

The government is out to get them and take over and they will stop those m1-abram tanks with their shotgun
and glock-9.

Theres a boogey man always hanging around waiting to break into their house while they sleep.

I live in a city in florida with roughy 300 or so thousand people. I can literally walk 1/4 mile in any direction and
buy any type of gun there is, you name it assault rifle, shotgun, handgun.

99.99999999% of all the guns that are being sold in the united states will never be discharged in a way that
would be considered "self defense" under the law. The fact of the matter is whenever someone goes and buys
a gun the odds are x1000 times greater that it will be used in a illegal fashion. Such as:

It's stolen.

Used for an armed robbery.

Used in a murder.

Someone commits suicide with it.

It accidently discharges.

And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors
in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.

Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.



You are completely clueless. Your head is so far up your own ass that it is damn near pointless to debate with you. You are the same as conspiracy theory assholes that think the moon landing was faked.

If you had your way no law abiding citizen would have an equal defense against any criminal as they would continue to break laws and still have a gun.

As things stand right now, any law abiding citizen has the choice to own a gun or not and the ability to defend them selves or there family.

You say that "Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly." you are wrong, collectively criminals and irresponsible idiots have demonstrated that they just cant own guns responsibly is more like it.
stoicfaux
#94 - 2012-07-22 16:11:48 UTC
A slave with a gun, isn't a slave. That is the main reason for allowing private gun ownership. Or if you don't believe that slavery exists anymore, then: minorities with guns don't get pushed around. If I were a black muslim lesbian female in the heart of neo-con backwoods redneck fundamentalist christian WASP country, I sure as hell would be carrying a concealed weapon under my rainbow colored pride burka.

Yes, the amount of gun deaths increases due to stupidity (i.e. accidents, husbands coming home early, fights, etc..) OTOH, if every head of family in that theater had been carrying a weapon, I don't think Mr. Holmes would have been able to shoot as many people as he did.

Gun ownership is a trade off involving high-stakes calculus that is ugly and brutal: Freedom from Tyranny, self-protection/self-reliance versus increased collateral deaths. Even so, gun owners need to realize that gun ownership won't keep you free. Guns are NOT a panacea that will protect you if society as a whole collapses. If we really want to protect ourselves, then we need to work together and find solutions to a myriad of socio-economic issues and not pretend that guns will shield us from "other people's problems."

I don't think people realize just how fine the line is between civilization and the stone age. How often does your local supermarket stock up with food? Several times a week? If for any reason (gas shortage, EMP, major national disaster, food shortage due to weather, etc.,) reliable food delivery becomes impaired, what do you think is going to happen to cities with millions of people? They're going to start starving within a single week. Then those millions of starving people are going to stream out of the cities like locusts and loot the countryside for food, and the proverbial ranch full of gun-nut militia members doesn't have enough ammo to defend itself against millions of starving people. If a fundamental pillar of society falls, such as reliable food delivery, then all the guns in world won't save you/us.

And let's not forget the whole, in the US the "400 wealthiest Americans own as much or more wealth as the bottom 50% of Americans." Capitalism may be a great economic system, but the whole point of a society's economic system is to allow its citizens to 'fairly' allocate limited resources. If a large portion of your society isn't benefiting from your economic system, then a large portion of your society has no need of your economic system, and thus they don't need your society. Meaning, when push comes to shove, that's 400 American citizens versus 155,000,000 US citizens. Who do you think is going to win that fight?


Guns are here to stay in the US; there's no putting that genie back in the bottle. Guns are important for the meta-game of preventing government tyranny. Guns will not fix our socio-economic problems, nor will they prevent society from collapsing. The whole gun control debate is waste of time and hot air right now.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#95 - 2012-07-22 16:26:45 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
(...)

The rest of the world? Let me see what I remember from my 33 years of living outside the US:

* Steel windows.
* Steel doors.
* 8 foot tall fence (including front patio) with barbed wire on top.
* Steel gates on all windows and doors.
* Steel cages for the air conditioner units.
* Reinforced concrete (no cinder blocks), even for the roof.
* Despite all defenses, still had the home invaded twice... with all the family inside.
* Cars robbed from inside the garage, 5 times.
* Home burglarized, 12 times.
* Robbed/Mugged while entering/exiting the neighborhood, over 20 times.
* Stabbed... once
* Shoot at... lost count

Hum... I think I'll rather stay in gun-lovin' Florida... with my glass windows, my dry-walls and mah guns.


Yes, life conditions kinda suck in Somalia...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2012-07-22 19:43:50 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.

It's the gun nuts.

I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.

Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that
almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.

The government is out to get them and take over and they will stop those m1-abram tanks with their shotgun
and glock-9.

Theres a boogey man always hanging around waiting to break into their house while they sleep.

I live in a city in florida with roughy 300 or so thousand people. I can literally walk 1/4 mile in any direction and
buy any type of gun there is, you name it assault rifle, shotgun, handgun.

99.99999999% of all the guns that are being sold in the united states will never be discharged in a way that
would be considered "self defense" under the law. The fact of the matter is whenever someone goes and buys
a gun the odds are x1000 times greater that it will be used in a illegal fashion. Such as:

It's stolen.

Used for an armed robbery.

Used in a murder.

Someone commits suicide with it.

It accidently discharges.

And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors
in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.

Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.


Hi, how you doing? So I'm going to need to bring you back to reality here and ask to see your sources for this. Otherwise, 1/10 for trolling effort.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#97 - 2012-07-22 20:54:36 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
(...)

The rest of the world? Let me see what I remember from my 33 years of living outside the US:

* Steel windows.
* Steel doors.
* 8 foot tall fence (including front patio) with barbed wire on top.
* Steel gates on all windows and doors.
* Steel cages for the air conditioner units.
* Reinforced concrete (no cinder blocks), even for the roof.
* Despite all defenses, still had the home invaded twice... with all the family inside.
* Cars robbed from inside the garage, 5 times.
* Home burglarized, 12 times.
* Robbed/Mugged while entering/exiting the neighborhood, over 20 times.
* Stabbed... once
* Shoot at... lost count

Hum... I think I'll rather stay in gun-lovin' Florida... with my glass windows, my dry-walls and mah guns.


Yes, life conditions kinda suck in Somalia...


You haven't been to Detroit haven't you?

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#98 - 2012-07-22 21:24:43 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
(...)

The rest of the world? Let me see what I remember from my 33 years of living outside the US:

* Steel windows.
* Steel doors.
* 8 foot tall fence (including front patio) with barbed wire on top.
* Steel gates on all windows and doors.
* Steel cages for the air conditioner units.
* Reinforced concrete (no cinder blocks), even for the roof.
* Despite all defenses, still had the home invaded twice... with all the family inside.
* Cars robbed from inside the garage, 5 times.
* Home burglarized, 12 times.
* Robbed/Mugged while entering/exiting the neighborhood, over 20 times.
* Stabbed... once
* Shoot at... lost count

Hum... I think I'll rather stay in gun-lovin' Florida... with my glass windows, my dry-walls and mah guns.


Yes, life conditions kinda suck in Somalia...


You haven't been to Detroit haven't you?


Detroit? Didn't you said that you had lived outside of the US?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#99 - 2012-07-22 22:04:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Hestia Mar wrote:


I really have to respond to your post to inject at least some rationality into your world...

You offer prayers to the dead (like that's going to do them any good) and then imply that a no-gun policy won't work. Don't you think it would be more rational to ban guns and ignore religion...do both of those things and the world will be a FAR safer place than it is today.

If the US won't ban guns, ban the sale of ammo or price it exorbitantly - 10,000 dollars a round sir?


Or they could stop selling assault rifles with huge ammo drums. Handguns I get, shotguns sure, hunting rifles ok but assault rifles? Just what is the average man going to be going up against to require one of thoseUgh



Based on that idea, if that happened, and they did once and it didn't work ("Clinton gun ban" 1994 - 2004), then I want every sporty car to be taken off the road.

In fact, there are two double standards. You can get a felony conviction not related to violence or guns, and never be allowed to own a gun again, yet you can get a felony conviction wtih illegal road racing - if you get caught enough - and then after your license is suspended for a while, you can own and operate vehicles again.

Hmmmm

I knew a fellow who could not own guns because he was a road racer, and he drove a suped up truck with a nitrous bottle in it as big as a SCUBA tank.

Now, if someone can go to my rifle and say "you don't need that high capacity magazine (and people I have met who say that think more than 10 rounds is high cap), then I certainly want to see all the rice boys and car enthusiasts be told they don't need that turbocharger, nitrous, etc.

It's only fair, right?

The tens of millons of guns out there are not owned for criminal purposes, yet a car designed to go fast is in fact designed to break the law.


What I want is that if I can't be free, I want everybody to live in the same tyranny and nanny state that I do.


Guns are built for killing things, cars are not. Having something that spits out 90 rounds a minute with a drum for 100 plus shots simply has no reason for being in the hands of a civilian. What the hell do you need that kind of firepower for other than fight a war? Or chop down trees...

If you are going to justify that kind of thing you need to come out with something smarter than that dross.




A sports car is built for what?

Speed, right?

And on the same roads as everybody else too.


Back in the 1990s, I heard a very common refrain from all those suburban soccer moms regarding their SUV: "If there is an accident, I want the people in the other vehicle to die". Mike Judge made fun of this mentality in a "King of the Hill" episode.

Might I need to cite motor vehicle deaths ?


Keep this in mind though, real freedom is not needing acceptance or permission from the likes of you. So nothing you say is going to change my mind. I have guns because I can.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#100 - 2012-07-22 23:00:18 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Detroit? Didn't you said that you had lived outside of the US?


And your point is?

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"