Out of Pod Experience

Our theaters appear to be as safe as your malls.

The brilliant part is that a lot of people in America would defend that man's right to own a gun, based on the premise that gun ownership is somehow required to protect themselves from men like that with guns... It's so logically incoherent I don't even.

I'm all for letting people own guns, but a little bit of honesty concerning the reasons people want guns to be legal would be nice. That "safety and protection" bull crap is just annoying.


Final Destination... it's real...

I've been shot due to the fact that I did not have adequate protection from the chaos that moved into my town (ofc I have moved since then, about 1700 miles away)
What other use would I want a weapon than to protect myself and if/when bored take it to the target range.

[/quote]
The brilliant part is that a lot of people in America would defend that man's right to own a gun, based on the premise that gun ownership is somehow required to protect themselves from men like that with guns... It's so logically incoherent I don't even.

I'm all for letting people own guns, but a little bit of honesty concerning the reasons people want guns to be legal would be nice. That "safety and protection" bull crap is just annoying.
[/quote]

This again comes down to the crazy, homicidal, and criminal elements of society not complying with laws, regulation, and society.

The overwhelming majority of gun owners are sane law abiding citizens and want guns for as you say "safety and protection" and maybe also hunting and target shooting, but that one crazy guy is not going to come out and say "yes I want this gun to go kill people".

Do you take away all guns because of a small majority of offenders? Do you take away all knifes because some people stab others with them? Do you ban potato chips because they make fat people fat?

See here's the thing, anti-gun laws in other countries have been proven to be effective.
That of course won't work in America though, you're quite right. Guns are so prolific throughout America that any legislation would simply push a large amount of guns into the black market as people start hoarding and trading them.

You should be aware though, the cause of that scenario is not the anti-gun laws, it's the pro-gun laws that allowed them to become so widespread in the first place. As I've said, anti-gun laws in other countries that haven't had such a large gun culture has been quite effective.

As for guns being a tool, well yes technically it is a tool. A screwdriver is a tool for turning screws, a vice is a tool for gripping things, a gun is a tool for killing things at range, and a medieval rack is a tool used for torture and dismemberment
They're all tools, but one must question the wisdom of handing out a tool designed to kill things at range to any who ask.

My personal opinion is that America should enforce compulsory concealed carry laws. You're too far gone to ban all guns - massacres are bound to continue to happen
Make sure that everyone is carrying, and you'll see less massacres. I mean everyone is armed right? Even if someone decides to attempt to massacre a room/building full of people, he won't get very far when Jenny from Accounting pulls an AK from under her desk

Anyway I firmly believe you have a gun crime problem because some of your citizens have a lot of guns, and some citizens have no guns. Criminals are obviously willing to accept the odds of a victim being armed atm, so it's clearly not the deterrent you want it to be.
Arm everyone it's your only hope

I agree with you. I believe that I could outrun a good portion of knife wielding psychos ... but a gun is a ranged weapon. So running away or hiding behind a standard door is not really an option.

All americans should be armed with guns, even kids.

You know how we europeans learned that wars (especially between european countries) are not really a good thing ?

World war I : 16 million deaths

... and because the first lesson didn't stick:

World War II, 60 million deaths

Mmh, at the same time you could get rid of the TSA controls, if everyone's armed anyway

Wait. Someone pounding with both fists on your door at 2am is probably trying to get your attention because they're in trouble, or they're a stupid drunk.

Did you at least call the cops so they could investigate in case there was a real problem? Plus, at least my my city, the cops allocate resources based on the crime reports, so it behooves you to call 911.

Also in regards to leaving town, the other option is to stay and clean it up. To quote a friend, send in the butch lesbians to clean the neighborhood up, then the gay men to make it pretty, and finally send in the breeders (i.e. the heterosexuals with kids.)

This sounds as silly as someone saying "i own 3 trucks, 2 SUV's, 4 cars and a motorcycle" only in this case we're talking about killing tools. One handgun for self defence? Sure, it's understandible, if i lived in a country that would allow me to have one i'd get one too. But that many? Why?

And they are a collectible like anything else you can get out there. Several of my guns belonged to my grandfather and I've gotten many more just because I like the look of them. In fact I have a few that I have never fired before. My most used however are:

My .308 British Enfield is my hunting rifle. For a rifle that is 80 years old it is incredibly accurate with iron sights. The only modification I've made to it is a hunting sling and a ammo sleeve on the butt. It still has all of its original markings, paint, and dings in the wood.

My 12 gauge Winchester semi auto is my bird rifle. This one is a hand me down from my father.

My 9 mm is my fun at the gun range pistol. Ammo is cheap and I can kill those paper targets all day long. We also occasionally bring out a .38 that has quite a bit more kick to it.

And my AK-47 is my other fun at the range gun because, well, its an AK. You can't help but admire the simplicity of the design which has been incorporated into almost every Russian rifle since then (Dragunov, Saiga, RPK-74M).

What I like about guns are the hundreds of ways you can change them and make them look, each one becoming an individual little work of art. I've always have been fascinated by the function of the design as well watching how the chamber gets pushed by by the gas created by the bullet firing, ejecting the spent shell and then catching the next round and chambering it all in one action.

i like all this constructive talk about gun control in america. it is a very difficult situation because we as a country are centered around guns..(ie: won our independance through revolutionary means, wild west american culture, hollywood action movies) its a tough cookie no doubt about how gun control might work if at all. im all for the 2nd amendment (as my beretta and rifles will vouch for me) but there should be some sort of mental evaluation of people who own guns. obviously look what happen in colorado. the guy obtained EVERYTHING completely legal. same case with the columbine shootings AND the virginia tech massacre. as stupid as this may sound i do have to aggree that arming civilians to protect themselves is an immediate and effective way to combat physcos. ill be honest although itll be weird to have many people walking with guns on their hips (as if it was the wild west which it was normal back then) but i feel that with this many people in response and a good majority of them being sane and responsible (so we'd hope...) would react in good time and with some skill and training to limit casualties. at least im speaking for myself if i witness some guy in my neighboorhood losing it and going on a rampage (which would be fairly obvious to understand whats going on) i would immediately put him down asap its a sad thing but itll save possibly a mother and daughter and maybe even my family members which live in the area...
overall, yea i consider myself one of those sane sensible gun owners and i gladly would respond to any nut threatening public safety in my neighboorhood, again because if its in my area, i immediately think of my family and the chance that a murderous physco my stumble near my mom or dad or something...