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Beorn Darkstar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-10 19:34:42 UTC
in playing eve this late in the games life? Forum is full of moaning and crying post, some post say eve is dying and other say eve is losing players. I just started eve yesterday and love it, but I see it will require a lot time to actually get to the enjoyable parts. Basically I don't want to board a sinking ship. Do you guys see eve lasting for a few more years? I'm looking for the long haul. Anyway, thanks for your time. Hope I didn't feed the trolls too much.
Lilith Shedim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-10 20:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilith Shedim
Beorn Darkstar wrote:
in playing eve this late in the games life? Forum is full of moaning and crying post, some post say eve is dying and other say eve is losing players. I just started eve yesterday and love it, but I see it will require a lot time to actually get to the enjoyable parts. Basically I don't want to board a sinking ship. Do you guys see eve lasting for a few more years? I'm looking for the long haul. Anyway, thanks for your time. Hope I didn't feed the trolls too much.


It's definitely still worth it to start. EVE has a promising future with expansions that are planned and some merging with other styles of gaming (Dust514). It's not dying, people say that about every game they play. You're living evidence that EVE is getting new people all the time. So are dozens or hundreds of other people. For every 1 person that whines and says EVE is dying, 10 join up happily without running and making a public statement.

The best advice I can give is don't live with the notion that you can't do everything right away. There's only a few things you are limited to as a new player. Within a month you can do exploration, fly everything up to and including a battleship, pvp, militia, pirate, wormhole, industry. Really the only thing off the top of my head you can't do is fly capitals, and maybe incursions and super high complexes/level 5 missions. That's it. Aside from capitals, the rest is doable within a few months, although you won't be 100% effective at it all. The key is specializing in a few things you do like.

Every forum is filled with whining and crying and empty threats stating that (insert any game here) is dead. If you live your life suffering those trolls, you'll never be happy as a gamer.
CCP Fallout
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2011-10-10 20:22:22 UTC
Beorn Darkstar wrote:
I see it will require a lot time to actually get to the enjoyable parts.


I'd like to address this part of your post; player's can attest to what they like/dislike about the game, and I would just be seen as selling it to you :D

But for me to address it, I'm wondering what are the enjoyable parts to you? There's a tremendous amount that one can do with EVE from the start that might not be obvious to someone new to New Eden :)

CCP Fallout Associate Community Manager EVE Online @ccp_fallout

Beorn Darkstar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-10 20:27:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Beorn Darkstar
CCP Fallout wrote:
Beorn Darkstar wrote:
I see it will require a lot time to actually get to the enjoyable parts.


I'd like to address this part of your post; player's can attest to what they like/dislike about the game, and I would just be seen as selling it to you :D

But for me to address it, I'm wondering what are the enjoyable parts to you? There's a tremendous amount that one can do with EVE from the start that might not be obvious to someone new to New Eden :)


Well I've always enjoyed PvP and play most MMOs for the PVP interaction. But thats something you can't just jump into as a new player. From everything I've read here it seems like PvP normally starts around your 2nd to 3rd month after a solid set of core skills are finished and your into a decent setup. And thats just to start, it seems to be effective the time investment beyond that is pretty deep.


Edit: I'm definately staying but I'm easily discouraged from my past experiences with MMOs. I guess its just something I will have to deal with :)
Cedric deBouilard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-10 20:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cedric deBouilard
Beorn Darkstar wrote:
Edit: I'm definately staying but I'm easily discouraged from my past experiences with MMOs. I guess its just something I will have to deal with :)

Join a newb friendly corp: not only they will offer social interaction they'll give you the chance to be useful in pvp, even a 20-days old char can be quite effective in group pvp with minimal skill and ISK investment. This way you can enjoy both the pvp and being part of something bigger.

Join Eve University or better, check their vast public wiki and mp3 classes.

Beorn Darkstar wrote:
in playing eve this late in the games life? Forum is full of moaning and crying post, some post say eve is dying and other say eve is losing players. I just started eve yesterday and love it, but I see it will require a lot time to actually get to the enjoyable parts. Basically I don't want to board a sinking ship. Do you guys see eve lasting for a few more years? I'm looking for the long haul. Anyway, thanks for your time. Hope I didn't feed the trolls too much.

As for your initial question: whenever a change occurs in EVE, bittervets and naysayers come and say that EVE is dying. EVE is not dying, but there was clearly a problem regarding the direction CCP management were takin recently. This has been fixed as the management realized the error of their ways and re-shifted their focus, I have to admit a lot of players shed a manly tear after reading CEO's latest letter.

Following the letters and new devblogs regarding the winter expansion, the metrics show that number of people online increased again to normal levels. So everything's fine.
CCP Fallout
C C P
C C P Alliance
#6 - 2011-10-10 20:41:07 UTC
Try finding a PvP corp that not only will take you under the wing, but help you get the basics of a good PvP battle. With others, you can participate in group combat and not necessarily be the target because you're young.

CCP Fallout Associate Community Manager EVE Online @ccp_fallout

CCP Zymurgist
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2011-10-10 21:20:54 UTC
Beorn Darkstar wrote:
From everything I've read here it seems like PvP normally starts around your 2nd to 3rd month after a solid set of core skills are finished and your into a decent setup.


Don't believe this! You can get out there and have fun shooting ships right now. Although it helps to have friends so having a good corporation like Fallout suggested is a good idea.

Go out and buy a bunch of frigates. Fit them up with some cheap guns and a warp disruptor at the very least and start flying into dangerous situations.

Yes you will lose ships, but that is part of the game. In my opinion losing ships is a great way to learn how to PvP. Not because you are losing ships but because you will think more about what happened during the battle and the victories will be that much sweeter.

Don't worry about your skill levels too much. That extra two or five percent of X may be useful but they won't matter while you are learning the trade. Just think about skills as a barrier to new equipment and not as a requirement to having fun in EVE and you should be set.

If you start fighting today you could have a few kills under your belt by the end of the week, not two or three months later. Smile

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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-10 21:23:22 UTC
Suggestion if you want to get into some PvP, join Red vs Blue. That are to alliances who are constant in war with eachother just to benefit from being able to PvP in high-sec.

Also, don't take all whining persons on the forums to serious. There are a lot of people complaining and saying "I'm leaving" and they are still here or return within a couple of weeks/months. Usually people who fly let's say ship A start complaining when ship A is nerfed as it's way to powerful.

I'm now just over 1 year old in EVE and still like it and only start to like it more each day. So look through all whiners in the forums, they are only a really small percentage of the EVE community, the majority likes (or even loves) EVE Online.

To the DEVs, good idea to nerf some of the over powered ships in the winter expension, but when are those minmatar slaves ready with cleaning my station so I can open my door to see other people.

J'Poll

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Beorn Darkstar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-10 21:25:08 UTC
I wasn't expecting so much positive feedback, it was a pleasant surprise. I think I will take all of your advices but after I finish the beginning missions to get familiar with the game. Thanks for all your time :)
J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-10 21:28:17 UTC
Beorn Darkstar wrote:
I wasn't expecting so much positive feedback, it was a pleasant surprise. I think I will take all of your advices but after I finish the beginning missions to get familiar with the game. Thanks for all your time :)


No problem, we all were new players once, so we know how those first days in EVE feel.

Suggestion: Do the tutorials and career agents first, they will get you around EVE and as a benefit give you some ships / ISK to start with.

Also, though it's not PvP but PvE, I suggest the Sisters of EVE (SoE) Epic Arc missions. Those will give you even more ISK to start with and that is always nice as a PvP player, as the questions isn't IF you loose a ship but WHEN you will loose a ship

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Samanta Raiolaser
Spartan Industries
#11 - 2011-10-11 00:24:46 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:

Don't worry about your skill levels too much. That extra two or five percent of X may be useful but they won't matter while you are learning the trade. Just think about skills as a barrier to new equipment and not as a requirement to having fun in EVE and you should be set.
Smile


This ^^

Don't wast time/money with lvl5 as some skills take up to a month to get done.
Keno Skir
#12 - 2011-10-11 04:50:45 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
To the DEVs, good idea to nerf some of the over powered ships in the winter expension, but when are those minmatar slaves ready with cleaning my station so I can open my door to see other people.


Wonder why it is me and my slave brothers are so popular with the stations female population.. Guesse amaar men aren't cutting it these days with their funny hats and silly beliefs...
Gevlin
Planned Obsolescence.
No Visual.
#13 - 2011-10-11 08:18:52 UTC
it is still a growing game, constant upgrading, it is not just focused on the end game like most mmos

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Aston Bradley
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-11 09:16:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Aston Bradley
- Do you have to wait 2 or 3 months to fly a bigger ship? Yes

- Do you have to fly a bigger ship to go out there? No, smaller ships are crucial in a fleet. And you can fly one well in less than a week.

- Do you have to wait 2 or 3 months to enjoy the game? No, just fly what you can fly. I have seen FC's flying that same frigate you are flying. It's not a matter of ship size.

Regarding the evolution of eve. It's NOT broken, so the good things about eve are still there. What vets are complaining about are very old issues that havn't been adressed. While real issues like large fleet lags, empty nullsec, useless caps are still there, we get a barbie closet to toy with in incarna. As a new player, those will not change your appreciation of eve. These are mainly issues with old players that want old problems to be solved rather than having new features that don't bring much to the table (Planet interaction, nullsec, CQ,...)

So don't worry, the game is as good as it was, but eve carried some problems that still havn't been properly adressed to this day. The biggest problem in my book being lag on large fleet operations.

[i]FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again![/i]

DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-11 11:42:00 UTC
The strange thing about EVE is this:

When you have little SP you want to fly the bigger/T2 ships.
When you have a lot of SP you want to fly T1 ships.

Enjoy whatever you can fly at the moment.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Anshio Tamark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-10-11 12:14:32 UTC
Beorn Darkstar wrote:
I see it will require a lot time to actually get to the enjoyable parts.


What enjoyable parts require you to have played a long time? In my opinion, when you start, you have access to the most enjoyable part: flying around in a frigate, popping stuff without needing to worry about millions of ISK lost when your ship blows up. I personally find a Frigate to be about 50 times more fun to fly than a Battlecruiser or Battleship (and don't get me started on T3 Cruisers. I have no intentions of ever flying one of those ugly abominations). And why are frigates more awesome than bigger ships? Because they require more skill. And they often excel at what they do, when compared to a bigger ship. For example, Griffins are excellent small Jamming-boats, that are better at it than bigger ships (exception here being Scorpion), Slashers and Vigils are great throw-away Interceptors, Rifters, Kestrels and Punishers are amazing DPS-boats. As a new player, you actually have access to everything you want to try. You can even try taking down a Titan in a bunch of rookie-piloted Rifters. I can't guarantee you'll succeed, but it'll be worth it if you manage to do it.
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#17 - 2011-10-11 12:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis deGuerre
You can train for a year to max everything for a specific ship+fit and be 20% better than a new guy who trained for a month.
Skill levels don't mean much, experience does.
You will get killed a lot gaining that experience, but that is part of the fun. Form a gang with some friends and get killed horrible somewhere.
And for those disinclined to PVP, there is much to do as well.
As for all the crying and moaning, that has been going on forever and you'll have to see it for what it is, a player base that cares deeply for the game. The winter expansions looks very promising and we'll probably see some more growth after that.

EDIT : url links are broken again
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Aston Bradley
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-10-11 12:27:06 UTC
Now that i think about it, we are talking about the SP barrier here.

I guess we should also think about the game functions and survival reflexes. The fact is that even if you can start right away, you will make a lot of mistake at first that will result in you loosing a lot of ships. Learning how to use all the tools you need (overview, directional scanners, drones, align, safespotting ect...), and how to lower the risks to get killed does take a fair amount of time. This might cause some frustration at first, so it's best that you really start with cheap ships at first so that loosing a ship isn't that much of a deal for you.

If you go solo, yes it will take a few weeks or months (depending on how fast you learn and adapt) to actually start getting the hang out of it. If you join a corp, things are easier and since you will be able to participate in fleet operation, you won't die often as you will not be the primary target (while still helping your fleet a great deal, which brings it's load of satisfaction).

I can't stress you enough on how easier life as a new player is when you are part of a friendly corporation (even and specialy a small one), and if solo os the thing you want to do on the long run, nothing is stopping from doing it while in that corp. Just make sure that the corp pvp and tex policies follow what you are looking for. If you want to be a pirate, joining a corp that as a red and can thieves only policy isn't the best idea.

[i]FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again![/i]

CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2011-10-11 15:37:12 UTC
This is a classic video showing a few haulers take out a Vagabond (a fast and pretty vicious tech 2 cruiser). It demonstrates what you can do with inferior ships if you have a good plan and some imagination. Smile

It's and old classic but if you haven't seen it, check it out. It made me laugh yet again :)

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard

Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#20 - 2011-10-11 16:36:33 UTC
Beorn Darkstar wrote:
in playing eve this late in the games life? Forum is full of moaning and crying post, some post say eve is dying and other say eve is losing players. I just started eve yesterday and love it, but I see it will require a lot time to actually get to the enjoyable parts. Basically I don't want to board a sinking ship. Do you guys see eve lasting for a few more years? I'm looking for the long haul. Anyway, thanks for your time. Hope I didn't feed the trolls too much.


One thing you can do as a noob is to team up with a veteran mission runner and be his wingman.

Veteran mission runners often fly large ships, on missions, fitted with large weapons. Large weapons are excellent against large targets, such as NPC battleships, but they don't work well against smal targets such as NPC frigates. That's why a wingman is so useful: It's his job to deal with the small ships, especially dangerous small ship that can ECM jam or warp jam the big expensive ship flown by the veteran mission runner.

You need a ship with a lot of gank and a little tank. It has ti fit small weapons, so it's good against small NPCs, and usually it is the small hulls, such as frigate and destroyer hulls, that are optimal for fitting small weapons into. As a bonus, T1 small hulls are very cheap, which means you can afford to take risks in them, especially once you've raked in your half of the bounties for a couple of level 4 missions.
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