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Medarr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2012-07-21 13:54:31 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Whang'Lo wrote:

3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.

Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home
invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon
you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.


Probably because the home owner might have a gun? Again... working as intended. Deterrance is a good thing.



Funny how the rest of the world doesnt need a gun to feel safe... chicken much?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#62 - 2012-07-21 14:12:55 UTC
Well, after debating this issue for years in the past, my conclussion was that American want that the firearms issue is the way it is. It's like a beaten wife, if she doesn't wants to kick his sorry ass out of her life, who are we to judge?

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Dranchela
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-07-21 14:15:01 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there
are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.

Gun nut FAQ:

1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.

This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery
was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.

2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.

There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled
"justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is
almost none.

3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.

Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home
invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon
you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.

4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

No actually guns kill people.

5. If citizens are not armed then the government can take over!

Lets see, Tanks, Air Force, Professional Army, Cruise Missles, Predator Drones, etc etc versus Small Arms.









Your proposal is unConstitutional as it stands and repealing or amending the Constitution to fit your proposal would require at the very least a 2/3's approval by the States, not Congress, in order to go forward. Some studies suggest there are between 700,000 and 2 million defensive gun uses every year, but I have found that such statistics on both sides are often skewed and hardly trust worthy. The fact of the matter is that there are approximately 30,000 gun deaths every year with over half of those being suicides. The resulting numbers are less deaths than those caused by automobile accidents.

Furthermore, while the US military has many technologically advanced bits of hardware, a ground force using small arms and improvised explosives has proved quite successful at fighting them for the last ten years in Afghanistan.

In other words, your post is ridiculous, unlawful and downright ********.
Gleanerman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-07-21 14:17:08 UTC
A couple points. As too the victims I will pray for you. Now about banning guns, how well did the no gun thing work out when that guy in the Netherlands lost it? Your point on small arms wont work on us because of the military having tanks and such. Well for one they don't have enough tanks to occupy every neighborhood, and the same goes for cruise missiles be planes. The only thing that worries me is the drones.

One more point. Is anyone here bothered by the fact that the guy kicked the emergency fire exit in? You cant do that. And it sure as he'll wasn't unlocked. I'm thinking inside job. It just don't add up. Try it for yourself kick a door like that from the outside. It wont budge.
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#65 - 2012-07-21 14:18:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Hestia Mar
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
rodyas wrote:
I just can't wait til the Adventure Time premiere. Gonna dress up like him and club people to death with a sword. Tell the cops, I was his evil clone, from a botched Princess Bubblegum science experiment.


Wait till the premier of the next batman movie



Wait till the premier of "the Aurora Gunman" movie...and to the poster above, I think you mean Norway.

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Y'nit Gidrine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-07-21 14:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Y'nit Gidrine
Whang'Lo wrote:

4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

No actually guns kill people.


Wrong, bullets do.

EDIT:

Also, even though there are only 300 cases of justifiable self-defense a year in the US - loosening gun control tends to have a "chilling effect" on crime. States which pass "right-to-carry" laws see a decrease in gun-related homicides shortly after.
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#67 - 2012-07-21 14:28:25 UTC
Gleanerman wrote:
A couple points. As too the victims I will pray for you. Now about banning guns, how well did the no gun thing work out when that guy in the Netherlands lost it? Your point on small arms wont work on us because of the military having tanks and such. Well for one they don't have enough tanks to occupy every neighborhood, and the same goes for cruise missiles be planes. The only thing that worries me is the drones.

One more point. Is anyone here bothered by the fact that the guy kicked the emergency fire exit in? You cant do that. And it sure as he'll wasn't unlocked. I'm thinking inside job. It just don't add up. Try it for yourself kick a door like that from the outside. It wont budge.



I really have to respond to your post to inject at least some rationality into your world...

You offer prayers to the dead (like that's going to do them any good) and then imply that a no-gun policy won't work. Don't you think it would be more rational to ban guns and ignore religion...do both of those things and the world will be a FAR safer place than it is today.

If the US won't ban guns, ban the sale of ammo or price it exorbitantly - 10,000 dollars a round sir?
stoicfaux
#68 - 2012-07-21 14:59:59 UTC
Silver lining: the Romney and Obama campaigns suspended their TV ads and campaigns in Colorado for the short term.


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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#69 - 2012-07-21 19:44:36 UTC
Hestia Mar wrote:


I really have to respond to your post to inject at least some rationality into your world...

You offer prayers to the dead (like that's going to do them any good) and then imply that a no-gun policy won't work. Don't you think it would be more rational to ban guns and ignore religion...do both of those things and the world will be a FAR safer place than it is today.

If the US won't ban guns, ban the sale of ammo or price it exorbitantly - 10,000 dollars a round sir?


Or they could stop selling assault rifles with huge ammo drums. Handguns I get, shotguns sure, hunting rifles ok but assault rifles? Just what is the average man going to be going up against to require one of thoseUgh
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#70 - 2012-07-21 20:40:36 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there
are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.

Gun nut FAQ:

1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.

This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery
was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.

2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.

There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled
"justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is
almost none.

3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.

Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home
invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon
you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.

4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

No actually guns kill people.

5. If citizens are not armed then the government can take over!

Lets see, Tanks, Air Force, Professional Army, Cruise Missles, Predator Drones, etc etc versus Small Arms.









I've said it before and I'll say it again, if my ownership of weapons offends you, you are more than welcome to come on over and remove them from my home.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-07-21 21:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
*Meanwhile in England*

And like Dietrich says (but way cooler) I will cede my 2nd amendment rights to whoever is able to take them from me Pirate

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-07-21 22:07:09 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
The numbers vary between news sites. From the OP's link: "police say 70 people were wounded".

With my respect to the dead....

The .223 round really sucks that much? No wonder we are still stuck in the middle east. We are under-gunned. Any ex-military here could shed some light as per why so many survived?


The .223 (or the 5.56mm Ball) is a round designed primarily to wound and incapacitate.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#73 - 2012-07-21 22:09:56 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
*Meanwhile in England*

And like Dietrich says (but way cooler) I will cede my 2nd amendment rights to whoever is able to take them from me Pirate


Was expecting a G4S insult. You dissapoint meSad
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-07-21 22:12:52 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there
are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.

Gun nut FAQ:

1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.

This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery
was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.


The "Bill of Rights" are intended to be the most important rights reserved to the people. Period. One of the more common sayings is ,"The First Amendment grants free speech; the Second guarantees it." To strip the people of the right to defend themselves from a government or foreign invasion is tantamount to oppression. If the government doesn't have to fear the people, then they don't have anything to stop a tyranny.

Quote:
2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.

There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled
"justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is
almost none.


Now, contrast that with the numbers of armed robbery and muggings in which the victim didn't have a weapon. Britain's been learning the hard way over decades: just because you stop people from owning guns doesn't stop the criminal elements from getting them.

Quote:
3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.

Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home
invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon
you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.


What?

Quote:
4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

No actually guns kill people.


I'm going to put this gun right here, on this table, and walk away. You call it names, let me know if it kills you because you hurt it's feelings.

You're dumb. Shut up, f@ggot and neck yourself.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-07-21 22:38:06 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
The numbers vary between news sites. From the OP's link: "police say 70 people were wounded".

With my respect to the dead....

The .223 round really sucks that much? No wonder we are still stuck in the middle east. We are under-gunned. Any ex-military here could shed some light as per why so many survived?


The .223 (or the 5.56mm Ball) is a round designed primarily to wound and incapacitate.


Addressing the question of why so many survived: Poor marksmanship, the .223 is a very lethal round... sure it won't blow a hole out of you the size of a fist but the round tumbles when it hits and causes massive internal damage. Target might not go down immediately but if you hit center mass the person will die (kinda sucks in a combat scenerio when you have to shoot someone 4 times to put him down but that's being fixed... military starting to use special hollow points that aren't illegal in combat) . Also that round loves riquocheting off bone Twisted

baltec1 wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
*Meanwhile in England*

And like Dietrich says (but way cooler) I will cede my 2nd amendment rights to whoever is able to take them from me Pirate


Was expecting a G4S insult. You dissapoint meSad


I'll try harder in the future!

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Whang'Lo
Cosmically Irrelevant
#76 - 2012-07-21 22:59:50 UTC
So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.

It's the gun nuts.

I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.

Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that
almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.

The government is out to get them and take over and they will stop those m1-abram tanks with their shotgun
and glock-9.

Theres a boogey man always hanging around waiting to break into their house while they sleep.

I live in a city in florida with roughy 300 or so thousand people. I can literally walk 1/4 mile in any direction and
buy any type of gun there is, you name it assault rifle, shotgun, handgun.

99.99999999% of all the guns that are being sold in the united states will never be discharged in a way that
would be considered "self defense" under the law. The fact of the matter is whenever someone goes and buys
a gun the odds are x1000 times greater that it will be used in a illegal fashion. Such as:

It's stolen.

Used for an armed robbery.

Used in a murder.

Someone commits suicide with it.

It accidently discharges.

And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors
in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.

Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.

[u]A Paranoid is just someone with all the facts - William Burroughs[/u]
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-07-22 00:02:09 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.

It's the gun nuts.

I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.

Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that
almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.

The government is out to get them and take over and they will stop those m1-abram tanks with their shotgun
and glock-9.

Theres a boogey man always hanging around waiting to break into their house while they sleep.

I live in a city in florida with roughy 300 or so thousand people. I can literally walk 1/4 mile in any direction and
buy any type of gun there is, you name it assault rifle, shotgun, handgun.

99.99999999% of all the guns that are being sold in the united states will never be discharged in a way that
would be considered "self defense" under the law. The fact of the matter is whenever someone goes and buys
a gun the odds are x1000 times greater that it will be used in a illegal fashion. Such as:

It's stolen.

Used for an armed robbery.

Used in a murder.

Someone commits suicide with it.

It accidently discharges.

And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors
in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.

Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.


Bolded the only part anyone needs to read P

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#78 - 2012-07-22 00:03:30 UTC
The 24 hr press coverage over this, is more annoying then our gun laws are.

Thank god a plane didn't go down or a tornado happen during this time. Would propably unistall cable if it did.

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#79 - 2012-07-22 00:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
Whang'Lo wrote:
So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.

It's the gun nuts.

I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.

Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that
almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.

And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors
in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.

Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.


Actually the 'gun nuts' are not the problem.
I know, you have this image of an evil, suburban, paunchy, 40-something NRA member.
Funny thing is, they don't really commit all that much crime.

Look at the FBI statistics.
If you somehow disarmed the inner-city gang members, the US ends up with a gun crime rate similar to...hmm...Canada.

I speak with experience when I say red states like Montana and Idaho are LOADED with 'gun nuts', and have high gun ownership rates. They have lax laws, but yet - very low gun crime rates.

Why? No black people.
Show me a state with a high percentage of blacks, and I'll show you a state with lots of gun crime - whether the state has strict laws (Washington D.C.) or not (Alabama.)

So when you say 'collectively Americans demonstrated' anything - this NRA member would prefer not to be lumped in with Crips and Bloods, thank you.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#80 - 2012-07-22 00:42:56 UTC
Medarr wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Whang'Lo wrote:

3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.

Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home
invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon
you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.


Probably because the home owner might have a gun? Again... working as intended. Deterrance is a good thing.


Funny how the rest of the world doesnt need a gun to feel safe... chicken much?


The rest of the world? Let me see what I remember from my 33 years of living outside the US:

* Steel windows.
* Steel doors.
* 8 foot tall fence (including front patio) with barbed wire on top.
* Steel gates on all windows and doors.
* Steel cages for the air conditioner units.
* Reinforced concrete (no cinder blocks), even for the roof.
* Despite all defenses, still had the home invaded twice... with all the family inside.
* Cars robbed from inside the garage, 5 times.
* Home burglarized, 12 times.
* Robbed/Mugged while entering/exiting the neighborhood, over 20 times.
* Stabbed... once
* Shoot at... lost count

Hum... I think I'll rather stay in gun-lovin' Florida... with my glass windows, my dry-walls and mah guns.

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