Assembly Hall

OK to clear things up.

How does it work?
-- This refocus button will allow players to unlearn a portion of their skills to reapply to different skills. This unlearning will risk you loosing the skill books you spent isk on. You will have to re inject the skills and relearn it through applying your skills. THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE ONLY WHEN YOU REACH YOUR FIRST YEAR OF SUBSCRIPTION. Very similar to the neural remap but only iven ONCE! You will not be LOSING or GAINING any skills during this process. The skill points you trained will be the only one available for reapplication.

Where is the balance?
-- As this is just a refocusing older players with very high skill points or newer players with very low skill points will have the same refocus button. Both older and newer players will have the chance to refocus their skills. Nothing will be gained or lost during the process.

Why the need to refocus?
-- Well i believe that players that have payed for subscription for a considerable amount of time should have more flexibility in the skill points they earned. A newer player enticed by mining because he read the Halada's guide to mining and how beautiful, colorful and you will be swimming in ISK when you mine and realize in the end its not what it seems should be able to use the time they spent training in game into something that they want to do. They paid for the time to train the skills and have realized this is not for me should be able to get what they paid for and refocus the skills. Its funny to see Exhumers V on a PVP pilot. It is important for people to realize that we as newer players with VERY limited knowledge to the game train different stuff and have no IDEA about what to focus on. questions like WHAT skills do i train? WHAT should i be stuck with? WHAT makes ISK? Since the learning cliff is so high we were making mistakes about skills. At first when i started the game and did the tutorial it FORCED me to be multifocus which i HATED in the long run. CMON! i need to haul mine and shoot stuff for these agents and i didnt know that was not the END all and BE ALL of the game. This toon i am posting on right now is my 4th and i have sent 3 toons to the recycling bin because i was new and had no idea what i was doing.

Now to address the issues.
-- ABUSE:
---- I dont really see people abusing this feature of the game. IF they refocus into something they are stuck with the refocus for their entire eve experience. Which is also a decision/consequence factor of doing so. 1 day old player or REALLY new players will not get a refocus button they will get it after their first year of subscription and they will NEVER get this feature EVER again. I feel that this cushion is fair since the confusion and the learning curve of the newer player will force him to make mistakes once he learns the rope and understands the game better then a refocus will help him towards that path.

-- CONSEQUENCES
---- Its funny how people are so ELITIST or LEETISTS when it comes to eve. They are NEVER new player friendly this game is awesome no need for your monkey business. This game is for adults we pirate we kill we grief and grow up kid! Since when was EVE like that? SINCE WHEN? When i was new i was welcomed by helpful players willing to show me the ropes of the game and they made my EVE experience better no thanks to the LEETISTS that feel like they own EVE. First of all a single refocus will not erase all the bad decisions you made. Including the investments and materials you acquired. Sorry you are stuck with that! All the players will still have the same consequences they have to face inside the game. Skill wise as well as this is a one time deal within your entire eve career. BTW if you really want a game that revolves on consequence then lets not have hisec and allow all griefing in tutorial zones and LETS make choosing a FACTION have a consequence as well minmatar CANT go into amarr or amarr CANT go into minmatar? hows that for consequence not yet HARDCORE enough for you?

>> I will be shooting down arguments against this proposal <<

This has been brought up in other forum posts, but in essence, is all about a "skill remap".

I personally wouldn't mind removing a useless skill or two, but there is also potential for abuse or everyone creating FOTY toons - which would end up making Eve a boring place.

e.g. Max out remap of Perc / Will. Once a year, "unlearn" those skills, and dump them into areas that require, say, Charisma & Intel.

I would like to see something like this, but I neither agree or disagree as long as it's properly implemented.

This. Also, please learn what the word "search" means. You would have seen that this horrible, stupid idea has been suggested MANY times, over and over again by ignorant fools such as yourself. It is always shot down because it would totally defeat the purpose of EVE's skill system. That actions have long-term consequences is one of the core features of EVE - deal with it.

We have enough consequences in game. IF you want more go play real life that has more.

1. Yes i do understand that and we still have consequences in game this will NOT erase all of it. It will however lessen the consequences we take. Now the question is how much/many consequences do we need in this game? Have we gone to far? YES NO? that is the real issue just arguing that this game has consequences I can argue pushing your argument to its LOGICAL limit then why dont we have MORE consequences in game?

2. This is true but we also have to understand that thing/focus changes. Benefiting from the skills has nothing to do with changing your focus and benefiting from them even more. Why not?

3. Its highly unlikely that it is an accident

4. Accident nah. not gonna happen people chose to be a miner or an industrialist or a mission runner out of sheer ignorance and people forum posting about quadrillion isk/hour. Newer players are easily swayed by this.

5. Ok this is the ONLY valid effect that i see would affect the game. LESS players will buy from the bazaar since instead of selling their industry toon and buying a PVP toon or PVE toon they can just skill remap. OK to address this issue i believe that giving newer players/newly created accounts something to look forward for after a year of subscription like a skill remap will make the newer players LIKE to stay in the game more. I believe that the money gained by CCP for newer players having subscribing for a whole year and also returning players that have their skills in disarray will compensate for the income lost in the bazaar.

See now THIS would actually be interesting. Not the OP though, that guy just wants respecs, and that's just silly.

Many.

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Apparently not, biomassing characters just because you weren't happy with your previously-chosen skills. This isn't some other MMO where you're at level 20 with a crappy skillset and needing to reroll. As SOON as you realize you took the wrong path, just start training what you want. The few million SP you wasted isn't THAT big a deal. You probably wasted quite a few support skills that apply to anything when you trashed those characters.

Good sir. Biomassing a toon and "just start training what you want." is very much the same. This whole point of this feature is to not waste the time you have invested in training the skills you want so you can play. I believe EVE is already painful enough that you have to wait for a few months before you get to PVP,PVE or BUILD something properly. Which i totally love about the game but making a mistake realizing that mistake and spending all the time ALL over again to be able to PVE is a bit painful for newer even midlevel sp people.

Unless you completely forego and amount of combat skills--unlikely for a new player, as ship combat is the first thing you're shown--then biomassing your first toon is throwing out combat skills. You almost certainly acquired support and fitting skills that will apply to ANY ship you could fly. Biomassing a toon because you picked the skills is just repeating training you've already done. If the OP has biomassed four toons, that is probably MONTHS of training time thrown out. Just keep the skills you have, train new ones, and carry on.