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Halaima Miner Bumping SHAREHOLDER REPORT #2 UNANIMOUS! We're going to Kamio!
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Caelis Boirelle
Aurora Investments
#21 - 2012-07-18 22:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Caelis Boirelle
Sun Win wrote:
Every worthy project brings with it some risk. The taming of high sec may bring with it the chance of backlash by the unruly mob, but liberty belongs to those who will not be cowed by AFK tyrants.
I'm proud to see my name on the register of shareholders. By putting it there, we stand with James 315 and say: "No. This will not stand. There is a Code. Follow the Code."


I entirely agree!

I only bring the risk of backlash up because I wondered if James 315 had factored that particular chink in the armour into his plans and I agree with his comments, it would be a significant departure from normal miner behaviour to do anything of the sort.

It just pays to be cautious is all. Would be a shame for such a fine cause to be scuppered by some unforeseen scenario.

Jori McKie wrote:
I don't mind to be public visible as shareholder and by all means i welcome any disgruntled miner or any merc on behalf of them to pay me a visit. I even might be able to give hand in case things get too ugly for any shareholder or James 315 personally, especially in lowsec but not exclusively.


Likewise. Hell, it would give me an excuse to step outside of my Jita quarters and stretch my legs.

Come to think of it, while I can't vouch for everyone, I'd imagine that the financial clout wielded by several of the names on the investor list alone would be enough of a deterrent for any would-be meddlers. Could get rather messy.

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Matries
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-07-18 23:17:26 UTC
I, Matries, hereby vote my one (1) share as follows:

[X] YES, I support the expansion of the New Highsec Order to the Kamio system (0.7) and authorize James 315 to serve as Supreme Protector of Kamio.
Rekon Huren
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-07-19 08:00:48 UTC
Hahaha I am mining in Halaima with my 12 alts as we speak
R0me0 Charl1e
Easy A Industries
#24 - 2012-07-19 09:16:24 UTC
Rekon Huren wrote:
Hahaha I am mining in Halaima with my 12 alts as we speak

Cool story bro?

In any case, I also don't mind being publicly associated with this groundbreaking new venture that we have joined up in. To quote Sun Win;
" I'm proud to see my name on the register of shareholders. By putting it there, we stand with James 315 and say: "No. This will not stand. There is a Code. Follow the Code.""

[X] YES, I support the expansion of the New Highsec Order to the Kamio system (0.7) and authorize James 315 to serve as Supreme Protector of Kamio.
Tabane Shinonono
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-07-19 10:01:56 UTC
[X] YES, I support the expansion of the New Highsec Order to the Kamio system (0.7) and authorize James 315 to serve as Supreme Protector of Kamio.

Have fun bumping miners. Would hope to read some quotable comments from those that didnt pay up and were bitching in local :>
Sharise Dragonstar
Big Strong
Hisec Miners
#26 - 2012-07-19 10:07:15 UTC
Although I don't agree with abusing the bumping exploit I find it amusing that there are so many idiots about that someone can make hundreds of millions of isk. All they had to do was move.....how many ice fields are out there, no way James could cover all of them. My alt has mined the Halaima field for weeks without paying and as soon as James enters system move to Kamio, it's not rocket science. If his greifing moves to Kamio I will just find another ice/asteroid system.
Congrats on a profitable business but I do hope bumping is fixed, not saying it should not happen but a ship should take considerable armour/hull damage. A frigate or cruiser moving at 3km/s should pop if it rams a bs sized ship.

Good luck with your venture
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#27 - 2012-07-19 10:19:41 UTC
I love these threads so much.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-07-19 10:30:02 UTC
Sharise Dragonstar wrote:
Although I don't agree with abusing the bumping exploit I find it amusing that there are so many idiots about that someone can make hundreds of millions of isk. All they had to do was move.....how many ice fields are out there, no way James could cover all of them. My alt has mined the Halaima field for weeks without paying and as soon as James enters system move to Kamio, it's not rocket science. If his greifing moves to Kamio I will just find another ice/asteroid system.
Congrats on a profitable business but I do hope bumping is fixed, not saying it should not happen but a ship should take considerable armour/hull damage. A frigate or cruiser moving at 3km/s should pop if it rams a bs sized ship.

Good luck with your venture

Sorry to disappoint you but bumping will never be fixed by applying damage to the ships. That simply doesn't work well with the EVE physics and tick rate. Think about large fleet battles. They would become a clusterfuck of bumping hostiles and friendlies to death.
Kael Attrell
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-07-19 14:44:12 UTC
[ X] YES, I support the expansion of the New Highsec Order to the Kamio system (0.7) and authorize James 315 to serve as Supreme Protector of Kamio.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#30 - 2012-07-19 20:42:37 UTC
Sharise Dragonstar wrote:
Congrats on a profitable business but I do hope bumping is fixed, not saying it should not happen but a ship should take considerable armour/hull damage. A frigate or cruiser moving at 3km/s should pop if it rams a bs sized ship.

There's nothing to "fix" with bumping, it's been this way since the beginning. Everything is working as intended: The bumper should prevail over a highsec miner, if he has sufficient courage and skill and (most importantly) heart.

Now, some might argue that bumping should be buffed and highsec miners should be nerfed, but I would keep the mechanics as they are, since I'm used to them. Cool

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CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#31 - 2012-07-19 20:54:54 UTC
Cebraio wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you but bumping will never be fixed by applying damage to the ships. That simply doesn't work well with the EVE physics and tick rate. Think about large fleet battles. They would become a clusterfuck of bumping hostiles and friendlies to death.



I totally support the idea of making EVE have demolition-derby style physics.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#32 - 2012-07-20 02:02:21 UTC
R0me0 Charl1e wrote:
To quote Sun Win;
" I'm proud to see my name on the register of shareholders. By putting it there, we stand with James 315 and say: "No. This will not stand. There is a Code. Follow the Code.""

I enjoyed Sun Win's quote so much that I now occasionally repeat it to the miners I bump. Cool

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#33 - 2012-07-20 02:16:24 UTC
Sharise Dragonstar wrote:
Although I don't agree with abusing the bumping exploit I find it amusing that there are so many idiots about that someone can make hundreds of millions of isk. All they had to do was move.....how many ice fields are out there, no way James could cover all of them. My alt has mined the Halaima field for weeks without paying and as soon as James enters system move to Kamio, it's not rocket science. If his greifing moves to Kamio I will just find another ice/asteroid system.
Congrats on a profitable business but I do hope bumping is fixed, not saying it should not happen but a ship should take considerable armour/hull damage. A frigate or cruiser moving at 3km/s should pop if it rams a bs sized ship.

Good luck with your venture


Once upon a time, James wrote a rather lengthy post about highsec miners. To summarize, he stated that highsec miners will whine about each and every possible little thing that prevents them from mining in peace and will loudly petition CCP to nerf whatever prevents them from doing so until they cave in to their childish demands.


Most people will see where I'm going with this, but seeing as another part of his post concluded that most if not all highsec miners are effectively bots, grasping my point may be beyond your programming. Err, I mean, intellect. So, I'll spell my point out for you: You're proving him right.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

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Sharise Dragonstar
Big Strong
Hisec Miners
#34 - 2012-07-20 10:15:50 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Sharise Dragonstar wrote:
Congrats on a profitable business but I do hope bumping is fixed, not saying it should not happen but a ship should take considerable armour/hull damage. A frigate or cruiser moving at 3km/s should pop if it rams a bs sized ship.

There's nothing to "fix" with bumping, it's been this way since the beginning. Everything is working as intended: The bumper should prevail over a highsec miner, if he has sufficient courage and skill and (most importantly) heart.

Now, some might argue that bumping should be buffed and highsec miners should be nerfed, but I would keep the mechanics as they are, since I'm used to them. Cool



Nothing wrong with mechanics for mining, you target a rock then fire your mining laser at it, how else would it work? You only say bumping is working as intended is because it suits you. However the sensible fix is not within the capabilities of the game. I do however enjoy reading your posts concerning your enterprise and the propaganda that goes with it, you could teach the Chinese a trick or two I guess.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#35 - 2012-07-20 14:11:31 UTC
Sharise Dragonstar wrote:
Nothing wrong with mechanics for mining, you target a rock then fire your mining laser at it, how else would it work?

One popular suggestion for changing mining mechanics would be to create some kind of "mini-game" out of it, wherein the better you do, the better your yield. This is frequently proposed as a way to make mining more fun and lessen the ability of bots/AFK miners to continue their undesirable activities.

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You only say bumping is working as intended is because it suits you.

Well, I suppose you could argue that for anyone who says anything is working as intended. But I would also point out sheer precedent. Almost nothing's been in the game as long as bumping has. As far as I know, the bumping mechanics have never been changed. Over nearly a decade, there have been hundreds of thousands--if not millions--of players who could have complained about bumping, but only a tiny fraction ever have. Arguably, it's one of the most uncontroversial parts of the game.

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Vibesz
Odelion Invention
#36 - 2012-07-20 15:41:25 UTC
keep doing what your doing but, be aware that bumping someone in highsec after they ask you to stop is a sign of aggression and is reportable.

Sorry to rain on your parade
Gr0uch
This is How I Duck Taxes
#37 - 2012-07-20 15:47:11 UTC
Vibesz wrote:
keep doing what your doing but, be aware that bumping someone in highsec after they ask you to stop is a sign of aggression and is reportable.

Sorry to rain on your parade


Aggression in EVE? No way. James you've gone too far. Next we'll have people shooting at each other.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#38 - 2012-07-20 17:32:26 UTC
Vibesz wrote:
keep doing what your doing but, be aware that bumping someone in highsec after they ask you to stop is a sign of aggression and is reportable.

Sorry to rain on your parade

Rain? From what I can tell, it's not even misting. Cool

Seriously though, I'm always impressed by the way random EVE players can confidently state what is and is not "reportable" while being completely and utterly wrong.

MinerBumping.com
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#39 - 2012-07-20 18:25:03 UTC
Gr0uch wrote:
Vibesz wrote:
keep doing what your doing but, be aware that bumping someone in highsec after they ask you to stop is a sign of aggression and is reportable.

Sorry to rain on your parade


Aggression in EVE? No way. James you've gone too far. Next we'll have people shooting at each other.


But that means the space-camo on my ship might get scratched! How...unthinkable, how demeaning! Only one way to fix this treachery...

...kill all of the AFK Miners until the threat goes away.
Drago Wolfbane Skorvalk
Great Black Hole of Eve
#40 - 2012-07-20 18:47:38 UTC
I was in my Amarr trading alt and I flew in to see James in action and was lucky enough to see him! I posted what I saw in the previous thread about his operations.

I have "lived in alternate universes" and it never ceases to amaze me that the most "peaceful" people tend to be the rudest and demeaning of all players when they get attacked/ opposed or whatever.

I have seen James handle himself and his customer base with nothing but the utmost respect, I cannot say the same for his customers, who he is only trying to help.

In the other realities I have lived in we always chalked it up to the people not being able to adapt to ever changing situations. I honestly see this as a way for SMART miners to get ahead of their competition and not a burden to their operations.

I say the above in all honesty, I am a trader in a mining based corp. I am proud of the miners I associate with, we are in a current war and they adjust and try to find the fun in the situation presented. I have not seen one mail in our corp complaining.
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