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New dev blog: Tech is fine l2p

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#401 - 2012-07-19 22:02:41 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
So not even good **** to share with your adversaries after a good spacefuck?

Nicolo, I am disappointed.

no local chat is what makes us elite, like those masked sandninjas in 300

No porn in local makes this goon :smith:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Atomic Option
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#402 - 2012-07-19 22:03:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
In before “but all those lower-tier moons are in newly claimed CFC space! Raaahrr CCPSwarm!” P


hahaha yeah as if the other alliances didn't also see this coming. That Honeybadger/TEST/CFC took that space first is their own fault.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#403 - 2012-07-19 22:03:24 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Yea, totally sounds like I'm making things up

Yea it kind of does when you claim that "forum posting results in a fine" and post an unrelated e-mail about forbidding in-game chat in local. You see Grath, this is an internet browser, not an in-game EVE channel
hth


http://soundcloud.com/theybemadlolololol/fail-alli-meeting-july06

You go through it again, I'm not sifting through that **** twice, but its in there, 2000 other people have listened (and laughed) at it.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#404 - 2012-07-19 22:11:09 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Yea, totally sounds like I'm making things up

Yea it kind of does when you claim that "forum posting results in a fine" and post an unrelated e-mail about forbidding in-game chat in local. You see Grath, this is an internet browser, not an in-game EVE channel
hth


http://soundcloud.com/theybemadlolololol/fail-alli-meeting-july06

You go through it again, I'm not sifting through that **** twice, but its in there, 2000 other people have listened (and laughed) at it.


Nanohacs anyone?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#405 - 2012-07-19 22:12:43 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Yea, totally sounds like I'm making things up

Yea it kind of does when you claim that "forum posting results in a fine" and post an unrelated e-mail about forbidding in-game chat in local. You see Grath, this is an internet browser, not an in-game EVE channel
hth


http://soundcloud.com/theybemadlolololol/fail-alli-meeting-july06

You go through it again, I'm not sifting through that **** twice, but its in there, 2000 other people have listened (and laughed) at it.
I'm at work at the moment; just read the list of rules on our forum which you doubtlessly have mirrored: no rule on forum posting.
Airto TLA
Acorn's Wonder Bars
#406 - 2012-07-19 22:18:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
GRIEV3R wrote:
Oh man, OTEC is probably going to QQ pretty hard at this.
QQing over something they've been advocating? That doesn't make much sense…

Quote:
on a semi-related note, wouldn't it be spiffy if, in the real world, if we don't like OPEC having a monopoly on virtually all the oil on Earth, we could just "tweak" the laws of chemistry and physics so anyone can make a replacement for oil in their basement?
We kind of can. It's just not worth the effort, though.






Actually this sort of stuff happens everyday, fuel prices get too high and people SUSTITUTE, they trade fuel guzzlers for more fuel efficient, they ride the bus, comapnies ship by rail, coal and nuclear get pushed up to replace oil in electricity production, high enough prices and really creative things start to happen (Synthetic rubber was invented to solve a similar issue in world war II, wood was used in some airplanes to save precious aluminium in some cases).


Alchemy though hoaky in form represents what markets really do if an imput goes to high an alternatives are found until prices find a new equilibrium. Since the game would be to complicated to follow the real world this plug should help.


Also to the dofusess in Goons, etc. complaininng about the "loss" in alliance income and "why should we have to grind", if you really think about it the fact you did not have to grind and could just get ships replaced might have some smalll part to do with your eassy victorys in Delve, etc. The fact that the SOCOs had to replace heir own ships AND give up producing income I would hazzard a guess made getting call to arms work very difficult. Look Goons (the foot soldiers, not the alliance) are going to flow to the best deal so you had the advantage there in the recruitment of the order following types, the other side had to try and call up forces with vague promises of "no rent for next month" 100 mill reimburse on tengus and 1/2 on logis (not as good as mach reimburse, huh).


It would not shock me to find out several hundred pilots might have msutered to Delve had we gotten a better deal , hell I might been there for a few days and I am afraid of big fleets. YOu may have still won, but the fight probaly would still be going on and SOCO would have had a chance to see if resource exhastion would have set in.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#407 - 2012-07-19 22:24:53 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Yea, totally sounds like I'm making things up

Yea it kind of does when you claim that "forum posting results in a fine" and post an unrelated e-mail about forbidding in-game chat in local. You see Grath, this is an internet browser, not an in-game EVE channel
hth


http://soundcloud.com/theybemadlolololol/fail-alli-meeting-july06

You go through it again, I'm not sifting through that **** twice, but its in there, 2000 other people have listened (and laughed) at it.
I'm at work at the moment; just read the list of rules on our forum which you doubtlessly have mirrored: no rule on forum posting.


Ok real talk: Doesn't it bother you that you even had to check? I mean christ what kind of dickheads do you play with that they think they have the ability to dictate what and when and where you can speak? Whats more, why would you listen to them?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#408 - 2012-07-19 22:25:01 UTC
aww boo hoo your alliances (which still shouldn't be poor even though they may not have had tech) can't do a proper ship replacement programme? well shucks, kick them in the nuts until they offer it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Teclador
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#409 - 2012-07-19 22:28:00 UTC
So now to the Topic itself.

The Problem of the Tech2 Producer have is not the Technetium itself, it's the kind way CCP has implemented the Moongoo.

Beside the Technetium we have Ceasium, Hafnium and Mercury. Why are these Material not 1:1 Involved in to the Tech2 Production?

Simple Example (leaned on the Eve History):
Technetium = mostly spreaded in Gurista Space (as far as i know it), so it's a Caldari Trade-Good.
Ceasium = mostly spreaded in Serpentis Space (As far as i know it), so it's a Galente Trade-Good.

So why could be these 2 Moongoo's not a Potential Conflict Good (Eve History?) between Caldari and Galente and to go on with The Red Thread, Galente Tech2 Components should be Produced with Technetium and Caldari with Ceasium. Same vise versa with Minmatar - Amarr and Hafnium - Mercury.

So if is will go like my Example, more of the Moongoo's will be needed for Tech2 Produktion and this is simpler to be Implemented in the Game by changing the Bill of Material of the involved Items.

And Best, the Moons are untouched, so Players will still have there Moons and the Goo they have. No Big Movements.
But new Conflict Potential for the other Regions and there Moon and Goo.

Etc...
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#410 - 2012-07-19 22:53:32 UTC
This should be interesting!

Australian Fanfest Event https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=90062

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#411 - 2012-07-19 22:54:03 UTC
Hello great and powerful Fozzie Bear


Having Technetium in one region only has been a running gag to long

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg

http://bit.ly/1egr4mF

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#412 - 2012-07-19 22:54:36 UTC
It's not in "one region", hth.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Cest Bravura
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#413 - 2012-07-19 22:55:01 UTC
So many shitstorms everywhere... don't know how to respond to the tears..... sooo, here's a pony!

Also, great work Fozzie.
Zuel Aaoiric
Obsidian Oracle
#414 - 2012-07-19 23:01:11 UTC
I haven't read all the posts. Sorry if this has already been brought up, but I haven't read anything on this so far:

1. The big payoff for taking the risks of nullsec is moon mining. Everything else is in the game can be obtained from highsec or a highsec static wh.

2. The EVE experience is unique in that you, as a player, are allowed to rule the skys. I am not aware of another mmo which allows so much player control. If they "fix" all the player exploits isn't that just saying, "work hard, but don't be crafty because big brother will take your toys away!". I see there is a problem with moon goo. I have been wondering what could be done to fix this problem, but in reality there isn't a problem that players can't fix already. If we don't like the prices of moon goo we should band together, with a temporary peace pact, and go take those moons!

I my be viewed as a noob for suggesting such a thing when those moons are guarded by such a powerful coalition, but the game is set to cater to numbers not capitals.

If there is a problem it really stems from the lack of capacity we have as players to trust each other (temporarily at least) to band together for a common cause. There is a concept known as crabs in a barrel. The concept is: the crabs will climb on top of each other to get out of the barrel, but as soon as one has grasped the top the others will all hang and climb on him until he falls. The cycle starts over and in the end no one has the technite monopoly or the top of the barrel.

A limited trust can be accomplished by increasing the consequences for attacking a fellow member of an established faction/race/coalition or non-aggression pacts; however CCP sees fit to implement this solution.

I envision this accomplished in the form of a bounty system that allows anyone in the territory of a faction to shoot anyone who has a bounty on their head from unlawful acts against a member of that faction. The bounty would be calculated based on the total loss of the assaulted party plus fines and fees which correlates appropriately with the crimes committed. This can be enhanced or decreased based on the standings of all involved parties making it more risky to shoot someone with higher standings or in high security space. The bounty would be provided by the injured party (so it doesn't become an ISK faucet). The assailant would then have their bounty reduced by a given percentage of their lost ship appropriate for the combined severity of their crime, standings, and the security of the system involved. This is so the party who has already been assaulted isn't doubly punished by having to put up a bounty in order to get retribution of 1/2 their loss (cost of loss + cost of bounty).

With a bounty system carefully implemented, we could have some trust in our fellow pilots. This is if all parties are of good standings with the faction we commonly share. If they shoot you they will not be able to fly safely through their own "home" regions.

The bounty system plus a faction fleet command interface built to orchestrate fleet operations would make this change facilitate the crabs in a barrel effect with technite and all other situations so CCP can stay cool as the one developer who allows their audience to truly play!
Soto ShinDo
HeroinPixelSpace
#415 - 2012-07-19 23:04:05 UTC
Magnifikus ErzverwirrTer wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Magnifikus ErzverwirrTer wrote:
Goon tears incomming, well done CCP, thanks for fixing this design failure that has been exploited too long :)


ahahahahahahaha


i would stfu, if my alliance fc's lead fleets full of goon shitheads only because he can suck mittens tech ****** ;)


Fixed your char name to better reflect your state of mind Cool

For you none germans - it translates wordly to arc-confused
coolzero
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#416 - 2012-07-19 23:17:34 UTC
@CCP Omen

what about ring mining????

wasnt the suggested what (part) of the moon goo would be comming from ring mining.
Ricand Michelliaos
Estrale Frontiers
#417 - 2012-07-19 23:20:40 UTC
Honestly, the easiest answer would have been populating other systems with tech moons.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3q5s4x/
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#418 - 2012-07-19 23:39:44 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Soto ShinDo
HeroinPixelSpace
#419 - 2012-07-19 23:42:49 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
looking for a new corporation


I could sponsor you into mine - just 500 Mio ISK Lol
Nathan Baxter
Dosadi Inc.
#420 - 2012-07-19 23:44:51 UTC
I haven't read the whole 20 page of post ... but did the previous " change" actually lower price of T2 materials ? or just made the big boys slightly less rich ? will this have any impact on the price of t2 gear or again just slightly lower the monopole of certain materials
from big alliances and coalitions .

I think the change is good but have serious doubt has to any real impact it will have .
When I see the Technicium advert during the tourny and I wonder how much those alliances control ... 1/3 ... 1/2 ... 3/4...

Cheers
Nathan