Ships & Modules

Well fit Sleippies!

Crap fit T3.

My alt is a T3 whore and IRL (that means TQ) wouldn't swap it for anything save a command ship.

I suspect there a whole world of fits where T3s better their command counterparts (who'dve thunk it flexibility FTW). Whereas for Command ships with fixed fitting ... not a lot to do there.

there are several differences between the tournament and everyday life on TQ. for once, you can fit as much shinies on your ship as you want and the T3s really profit from this. secondly, some of the T3 outrage is PVE related. for example, people probably wouldn't lose their **** so much over the tengu if it wasn't such a good PVE platform. i was going to write some more but you get the picture: TQ != ATX

T3s have about the same number of slots, have more bonuses, better bonuses, full t2 resists, lower sp requirment, smaller sig, faster align time, generally faster speed although t3s are kinda slow for cruisers, as well as 3 rigs vs 2. You add that all up and you generally can see why t3s are superior to their field command counter parts. There are still certain situations where field commands are superior (max gank) but overall yeah... Poor balancing.


There is good news though! BCs are soon to be rebalanced by most probably increasing slot numbers and general fitting/hp values on tier1s to be more similar to tier 2 bcs. It would only make sense that the t2 ships based on these hulls would see adjustments shortly after if not at the same time as buffed tier 1s would have more slots and higher base hp values than field commands if ignored.

Our time is almost upon us

I'd say that there's no realistic reason to use a NH over a Tengu unless you're afraid of losing SP.

-Liang

Thing with the alliance tournament, you cant have offgrid boosting alts which we have on TQ all the time. that is where you see most of us that have leadership skills unless it is on a roam where it is more handy to have the booster on grid for instant boosts.

Otherwise, far easier to sit in a deep safespot and mash dscan for proves and gtfo when you see someone to a secondary spot you already have ready.

Now I personally would LOVE if command ships give better boost while t3s could be more generic say.. less boost to one specific area but in more areas. That would at least give command ships a nice boost.

Oh and bring up the EHP on all the fleet command ships to damnation level, active tank bonus on a fleet command ship? yeah i live long under that kind of firepower with a repper or two.. eyeroll

I'm going to go to your second point first... If you would like to go back and read what i wrong you will notice that the buff that is inevitable will be geared at tier 1 bcs and will most certainly be bringing them inline with the higher tier BCs when it comes to fitting potential and number of slots. Tier1 base hp values are generally lower as well as less relative fitting. You will also notice that the tier1s all have 2 less slots than the tier 2s except the cyclone which already has +1 slot compared to other tier 1s and the brutix because the myrmidon has -1slot because of a "large ish?" drone bay.

As for the drake and cane being OP, it's all in what is available as competition within that price bracket to be honest. BCs have shown themselves to be of the ideal risk vs reward balance in a pvp ship when it comes to brawling or fleet dps for the majority of eve players. Many people are willing to loose them, and their effect on a fight is rather significant making them a popular ship class regardless if the drake or cane were there. Those two ships being arguably the best of the lot for overall solo and gang work is the reason there is so many. Once tier 1s are buffed to a level where they are comparable on fitting and slots to the tier 2s you will see a much larger variety in the bc lineup ending this Cane/drake op BS once and for all.



About t3s vs Commands... there are reason's why commands are not commonly used in pvp compared to t3s... The list i posted in my original post pretty much states the obvious, there is no need for me to post the same rable again.

Tournament pvp =/= TQ pvp.

A lot of people seem to be missing the connection between the two lately.

People basically use the tournament in their arguments because it supports their arguments. When it doesn't support their arguments, suddenly we get Tournament PvP =/= TQ pvp.

Funny how it works init?

Well in FW no one uses command ships, but loki/prot/legion/tengu bonuses are every were........even in your raccoon wounds.


see comman ships give a +3% per level on a skill that has a 9001X skill time modifier well T3's get %5 a level on a skill you can train to 5 well taking a medium to large size dump. Now the Command ship dose get a little more HP but flys way slower is subject to bubbles and cant cloak

so one your going out on a roam what do you want a T3 or a command ship with ya?