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New dev blog: Tech is fine l2p

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Maximus Stuu
Infinite Improbable Industry Inc
Pandemic Horde
#101 - 2012-07-19 15:20:19 UTC
/me puts on tinfoil hat

How suprising that the market was brought out of Cobalt 2 months ago....probably the only way this new Dev was allowed to start playing with Tech, giving Goons the heads up before....
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2012-07-19 15:20:29 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:

Except that's not alliance income. That's member income that the alliance chooses to take from the members and redistribute. By "alliance income" I mean income that doesn't come from one player grinding NPCs or grinding rocks or whatnot, but from the whole alliance working together to hold a strategic objective.

If moon mining was removed with no replacement alliance level income (I'm not saying that it neccessarily will, but so far I haven't seen CCP even suggest otherwise), you would basically have two options on how to run an alliance. Either it's everyone for themselves, where in order to fight you have to grind personal income for hours first - or the alliance starts imposing ratting taxes, mining taxes, refining taxes, market taxes, to the point where a big part of membership is simply exploited for all they've got in order to afford the "military" to have ships to fight in.

80-90% of nullsec alliances do fine without technetium, no replacement needed
Kata Amentis
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-07-19 15:20:43 UTC
I've always wondered... and purely from a curiosity point of view

what was the thinking behind making alchemy:

100 a + 100 b = 1 c
1c = 10 (what you were after) + 95 b

Wouldn't:

100 a + 5 b = 10 (what you were after)

make more sense?

i.e. why have the refining stage at all?

Curiosity killed the Kata... ... but being immortal he wasn't too worried about keeping a count.
Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises
#104 - 2012-07-19 15:22:41 UTC
The tears are strong with this one.


Elecktra Blue wrote:
"The end goal is for the materials for tech two production to come from player activities that require group gameplay and risk taking, and that provide appropriate rewards."

Yes not like a group of players took the time to grind sov, place towers, keep up the logistics of said towers, and defended them.

“Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.” --  Albert  Einstein  "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means,"
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#105 - 2012-07-19 15:24:30 UTC
Man the reactions to this crazy blog are gonna make the work day way more tolerable. Cool
Cahvus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-07-19 15:26:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Cahvus
CCP Goliath wrote:
Cahvus wrote:
Didn't even wait to get home from work to like this! Congrats on the first dev blog Fozzie and keep up the good work! Look forward to hearing more from you in the future.

PS give the dev responsible for live community events a friendly syringe full of adreniline for me! We need more of those awesome events!


NO ADRENALINE! Shocked

Noted though. I want to get some going too, and we are working on some cool ideas.

Fozzie - great first devblog! Also excellent likewhoring Roll


Thanks for the reply, can't wait! And if the adrenaline is not your taste we might instead spike your coffee with guyaki! Shocked hope you like caffeine!
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-07-19 15:28:55 UTC
we are being freed from the shackles of being hilariously rich and now that we are only very rich we are at our most dangerous!

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#108 - 2012-07-19 15:29:14 UTC
man am i glad all our technetium stocks were in jita and the batsignal went out in time
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2012-07-19 15:29:34 UTC
The tears are strong with this one.
Fiberton wrote:


You mean they may have had prior knowledge before the invastion because of some ccp or ex ccp were in the CFC ?.. say it is not so ?


Tippia wrote:
In before “but all those lower-tier moons are in newly claimed CFC space! Raaahrr CCPSwarm!” P


Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
MurKoN Kador Mahyisti
Doomheim
#110 - 2012-07-19 15:31:21 UTC  |  Edited by: MurKoN Kador Mahyisti
It is about time that Goonies and NC. stopped being allowed to dominate the game with their tech gold mines!

It should be something like PI, so that each person can make ISK from it - not just the illuminate of eve
Groups of players should be able to make more between them (like mining fleets), corps make even more with corp bonuses, alliances make more with bonuses - and of course; low and null make more from higher % (risks)

Gumpy Nighthawk wrote:
Also if this means that you guys are going to manipulate the market then well you might as well remove the complete economy.....


Of course they are! EVE is to make RL money, it is not a FREE service - the more taxes and guaranteed losses (high risks) = more GTC bought ...all about maths unfortunately! but from a business point of view, can't blame them!
Kosmoto Gothwen
Frenemy Logicians
#111 - 2012-07-19 15:31:58 UTC
Funny that people would scoop up cobalt since the alchemy reaction is still at a loss lol.

I developed a tool awhile back for moon goo profitability, I don't have these new alchemy reactions in the output (I'll wait to see it implemented first). But if you want to know current fair market prices check it out: http://www.forum.frenemylogicians.com/moonGooru.php

Moon Gooru | Common Eve Terms
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-07-19 15:35:42 UTC
I don't get it... So we will be able to substitute rare items for common ones?

What's the advantage of using rarer/expensive materials? For example, will an absolution manufactured using expensive material have a better tank?

It would be cool to have a player controlled "build quality" and perhaps branding, built into the game.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-07-19 15:41:58 UTC
The best solutuion to everyone flying a Battlecruiser is to adjust the price of T2 cruisers to be at least competitive with the price of a battlecruiser considering the small if any increased performance of a T2 cruiser over a battlecruiser for the same job. And frequently the battlecruiser is better than the T2 cruiser. Add reasonable insurance and I think a lot more people would fly the T2's than are flying them now. T2 cruisers are just priced out of the market for what they bring to the table. Particularly Caldari T2 Cruisers.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#114 - 2012-07-19 15:42:11 UTC
OTEC in roo-ins.

Decent first step, more interested in the long term plans to change the way moon mining / resource gathering in general is fixed... because it needs fixing.

hey while you're at it, how about throwing ice into wormholes. Thousands of systems having no ice at all (while the dirty hisec bears have it) makes no sense.
Retmas
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#115 - 2012-07-19 15:43:10 UTC
too damn cute that cobalt replaces tech, and is primarily found in the regions the CFC just roflstomped.
Soto ShinDo
HeroinPixelSpace
#116 - 2012-07-19 15:45:11 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Jarin Arenos wrote:
Out of curiosity, when was the last time someone actually threatened CFC's tech sov? Like... legitimately, not just trolling.


Would need to be :

A) - Equal in size (Have a chance at success)
B) - Not have space already (Have a need to fight)
C) - Not be blue to them (or a pet, Merc)

There is no such entity, nor will there be with zero barriers capping point C.

Healthy for EVE?


LOL - NCDot. member whining about OTEC. Hilarious!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#117 - 2012-07-19 15:47:01 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
I don't get it... So we will be able to substitute rare items for common ones?

What's the advantage of using rarer/expensive materials? For example, will an absolution manufactured using expensive material have a better tank?
It will make absolutely no difference for the Absolution — it'll be the exact same ship built the exact same way (well… until they fiddle with the component BPOs).

Alchemy simply lets you “manufacture” certain moogoo products — mainly on the “processed” level — through a somewhat circuitous route by slapping completely different moongoo products together than you usually would. In the end, you still end up with the same basic materials (e.g. platinum technite), and brew advanced materials from them as usual.

In T1 terms, it would be like if you could create Isogen by banging Veldspar and Scordite together really hard, rather than go out and mine Omber. In the end, you just end up with Isogen, and it makes no difference when you build ships from it.
Shantetha
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2012-07-19 15:48:24 UTC
Nice first blog, but this wont even dent tech prices and odds are it will only drive them higher. Why not push tech fixing to the top of the pile for things to do and drop a major patch fixing it all at once?
Rivver
Legions Ltd
#119 - 2012-07-19 15:49:05 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
OTEC in roo-ins.

Decent first step, more interested in the long term plans to change the way moon mining / resource gathering in general is fixed... because it needs fixing.



This really changes nothing. It simply introduces a price cap. You won't see much of a difference.

How many people do you know actually do Alchemy?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-07-19 15:49:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
In T1 terms, it would be like if you could create Isogen by banging Veldspar and Scordite

mmm miner-ore threesomes

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat