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Vindicator: Hype or is it Really the ship killer?
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warzonetemp
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-19 05:32:56 UTC
After watching the alliance tournaments and mulling over the buffed blaster set up of the Gallente ships, I wonder if the Vindicator really is the most powerful subcap ship in the game right now.

I can't think of another ship that would equal it outside a Kronos (which sucks in regular PvP) in terms of raw DPS, anyone have a thought?
Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#2 - 2012-07-19 05:55:04 UTC
Vindicator is pretty awesome, the big mitigating factor being the cost.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-19 05:55:36 UTC
warzonetemp wrote:
After watching the alliance tournaments and mulling over the buffed blaster set up of the Gallente ships, I wonder if the Vindicator really is the most powerful subcap ship in the game right now.


I'm pretty sure this has been stated on the forums like a gazillion times, but once more can't hurt:

Alliance Tournament does NOT in any way represent regular pvp. Trying most of those fits and fleet compositions on live would end... well, not so very well :p
Taurich Vorsel
#4 - 2012-07-19 06:12:23 UTC
warzonetemp wrote:
After watching the alliance tournaments and mulling over the buffed blaster set up of the Gallente ships, I wonder if the Vindicator really is the most powerful subcap ship in the game right now.

I can't think of another ship that would equal it outside a Kronos (which sucks in regular PvP) in terms of raw DPS, anyone have a thought?

ehhh Kronos doesn't compare to vindi
Mega < Kronoa = Hype = Talos < Vindi

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Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#5 - 2012-07-19 09:17:01 UTC
warzonetemp wrote:

I can't think of another ship that would equal it outside a Kronos (which sucks in regular PvP) in terms of raw DPS, anyone have a thought?


A CNR is getting pretty close. There was a thread about a year ago where the Vindi did 2548 with best equip and 4 damage mods, the CNR did 2478. These are, of course, only eft-warrior values. Nothing real about them. Then again, I do not remember when the Hybrids got patched :-/

A Vindicator is a fearsome enemy, but only inside web range. Nothing to worry if you stay outside. And... believe it or not: In the days of ASBs, a single Sleipnir can tank the Vindi... until the caps run out.


regards,

rob
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-07-19 10:19:18 UTC
Abyssum Invocat wrote:
Vindicator is pretty awesome, the big mitigating factor being the cost.


you also can't really tank them enough to survive in big fleets without gimping the DPS to irrelevance.
ill take a proteus over a vindi every time for a pure DPS role.

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#7 - 2012-07-19 10:54:49 UTC
Cost is not a balance factor. See: Titans/Caps in general.
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#8 - 2012-07-19 11:00:30 UTC
Its an awesome ship with great tank and DPS.

Someone mentioned the CNR, which really doesnt even come close. I did EFT the boat and did get more DPS then I thought.

But going with all lvl 5 skills and 3 faction damage amplifiers and a T2 damage rig its still 1897 vs 1604 DPS.

Add that to the bonus webs and the fact that it can hit targets smaller then a Battleship and its real usable DPS is atleast twice that of a CNR.

But all the pirate boats have their shining moments:

A Rattlesnake tanks like nothing else in the game and still does reasonable DPS (900-1000).

The Bhaal has a web range bonus and great neuts while also keeping very respectable DPS

And the Mach has good DPS and the ability to tank armor and shield almost as well, doing so at great speeds for a Battleship.

So the king is a flavor choice, my list is Vindi, Rattle, Bhaal, Mach. But I will not argue with anyone that will put them in a different order because they all have their selling points.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-07-19 12:27:02 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Cost is not a balance factor. See: Titans/Caps in general.


Actually everything is balanced around cost, whether the cost of entry is skillpoints or isk.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-07-19 14:17:13 UTC
Gets close in price, not sure about other stats, but a selection of very hurtful drones to taste.

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warzonetemp
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-07-19 14:31:28 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
warzonetemp wrote:
After watching the alliance tournaments and mulling over the buffed blaster set up of the Gallente ships, I wonder if the Vindicator really is the most powerful subcap ship in the game right now.


I'm pretty sure this has been stated on the forums like a gazillion times, but once more can't hurt:

Alliance Tournament does NOT in any way represent regular pvp. Trying most of those fits and fleet compositions on live would end... well, not so very well :p


Just wondering as the dps output is amazing. The alliance tourney don't reflect on gameplay, but do apply to mechanics. Vindis look like they are extremely powerful, and i thought they hold the highest subcap dps with blasters.
Uris Vitgar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-07-19 14:48:27 UTC
All 3 serpentis ships are pretty monstrous, except maybe the vigilant. They're like a black hole- once you pass the 90% web event horizon not even light can escape
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-07-19 15:10:30 UTC
Wasn't there a guy I while back who just owned in a Vindicator? He made youtube videos of himself solowtfpwning like 4+ BS's at once on losec gates...

If I can track them down I'll link them.

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Eternal Error
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-07-19 16:22:55 UTC
The vindi is great, but only really shines in situations like highsec wars where mobility isn't as key and facemelting DPS is even more important.

Also, as Jack said, in larger engagements, particularly ones with lots of logi, the proteus' T3 resists can really outdo the vindicator.

Kyle Ward wrote:
Wasn't there a guy I while back who just owned in a Vindicator? He made youtube videos of himself solowtfpwning like 4+ BS's at once on losec gates...

If I can track them down I'll link them.

Gods Coldblood (or something like that).
kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-07-19 16:59:46 UTC
It's a great ship but it's quite niche.
The AT just happens to be one of its niche's, partially due to the point costs of ships and partially due to the metagame.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2012-07-19 17:22:02 UTC
Eternal Error wrote:
The vindi is great, but only really shines in situations like highsec wars where mobility isn't as key and facemelting DPS is even more important.


Wut? That web bonus is almost the only reason to use a Vindi. There are other much cheaper ways to approach the same level of DPS.

-Liang

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Eternal Error
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-07-19 17:28:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Error
Liang Nuren wrote:
Eternal Error wrote:
The vindi is great, but only really shines in situations like highsec wars where mobility isn't as key and facemelting DPS is even more important.


Wut? That web bonus is almost the only reason to use a Vindi. There are other much cheaper ways to approach the same level of DPS.

-Liang

I was referring to the mobility of the vindicator itself (i.e. being able to apply those 90% webs). In highsec, you see more close range engagements. Obviously the 90% web is very important, but I was referring more to the fact that in highsec it's going to be far easier/more likely for the vindi to be in/get in web range.

In low/null, I would prioritize a rapier/huginn/loki over something with a 90% web. In highsec, since a good portion of engagements are on station, a vindi can really become a top priority both for the web and the fact that it's already in range to apply DPS.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#18 - 2012-07-19 17:36:43 UTC
Eternal Error wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Eternal Error wrote:
The vindi is great, but only really shines in situations like highsec wars where mobility isn't as key and facemelting DPS is even more important.


Wut? That web bonus is almost the only reason to use a Vindi. There are other much cheaper ways to approach the same level of DPS.

-Liang

I was referring to the mobility of the vindicator itself (i.e. being able to apply those 90% webs). In highsec, you see more close range engagements. Obviously the 90% web is very important, but I was referring more to the fact that in highsec it's going to be far easier/more likely for the vindi to be in/get in web range.

In low/null, I would prioritize a rapier/huginn/loki over something with a 90% web. In highsec, since a good portion of engagements are on station, a vindi can really become a top priority both for the web and the fact that it's already in range to apply DPS.


I won't presume to speak for the blobsville that is null sec, but the Vindi is more than mobile enough for low sec small gang engagements.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-07-19 17:44:20 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:


I won't presume to speak for the blobsville that is null sec, but the Vindi is more than mobile enough for low sec small gang engagements.

-Liang

I didn't say it was bad; it's an all around great ship (and viable for lowsec if you have the cash). I'm just saying that its #1 spot where it REALLY shines and melts faces left and right is highsec.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#20 - 2012-07-19 17:47:17 UTC
Eternal Error wrote:

I didn't say it was bad; it's an all around great ship (and viable for lowsec if you have the cash). I'm just saying that its #1 spot where it REALLY shines and melts faces left and right is highsec.


If you want to look at it that way, it's pretty spectacular in WH space too. You're pretty well guaranteed that people are gonna show up at 5km from you.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
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