Science & Industry

they are not the same... just for example all T2 Ship Blueprints need other skills to manufacture theme...some are even lvl 5 skills

@ brewlar
I heard your buying T2 BPCs? Wana boost my BPO income a little and buy some really nice researched BPC`s of me?

My apologies, you are indeed correct when it comes to ships. It's been so long since I trained all that stuff I forgot exactly how it worked and I had in my mind those skills (Frigate Construction etc) were to anchor/run the arrays. D'oh.

The main profit from invention is selling the end-product.

The luck factor from invention means you can try and create 10 Anshars and get 10 BPC's, or none. So if you do 10 invention jobs, you need to sell the X number of Anshar you built for Y amount of ISK which must of course be great than the build materials for the ship plus the expense of the invention (the lost Datacore, lab time as in POS fuel expenses).

However, a BPC has a fixed value, PlayerB doesn't care if you had a bad day and only invented one BPC from your 10 attempts. However, the final products sold on the market take into account invention chances, so the price listed on the market for items like this for the most part are a sume of:

(Cost to get 1 BPC from X number of Jobs) + Cost to Build Item + Profit = Sale Price

I beleive the big reason that you see very few selling/buying invented BPC is the value of the darn things is so dependant on the current whim of the market, T2 items spike to ridicoulous profits and fall to WTF losses in a period of weeks. SO knowing which item to produce is the most difficult thing to do so once you can figure that out most people just keep the whole process to themselves.

One big reason for this is if you jumped on the forums and asked for 30 runs of purifiers, is basically asking for everyone to jump in and kill your margins.

There could be a business in making BPC for things where invention speed is the bottleneck and putting them up for a 30%-100% profit and when the prices spike you make money until then you keep an inventory (but you would need to avoid the ones there are almost never profitable, basically the ones where BPOs provide the entire market. )

If your making T2 it is essential to get the 36 component BPO's - the Particle Accelerator and the like. You will buff up your profits hugely doing this. Also it is prudent to have the Tech 1 bpo of what your inventing for making the base items and obviously running copies. I tend to have all BPO to .2 percent ME so they are dual purpose.

You need them skills if your an inventor anyway.

Also how much do you estimate is saved by making say Particle Accelerators ME 15 yourself or just buying them? Per unit ?

Not at PC so can't look at the moment.

Anything past ME5 is a waste on that blueprint

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/11688/5/5/0/5

I'm seeing a profit margin of 11k per unit. At around a minute and a half each. So that one is worth manufacturing, at a profit margin of around 450k isk/hr

/If/ you can sell them, or use them at that rate.

A deflection shield emitter is about half that.

Hmm. Looks like the numbers have shifted since I last looked at this. My apologies. Of course, as with all things eve, run the number yourself, even if it's just through my tool.

Of course, you'll have to use what you make yourself, or be willing to play the 0.01isk games in Jita, as the spread between components and the buy price is /small/.

Probably because the skills necessary to build T2 ships include the invention skills.

Not every thread is about your irrational hatred of Pie, Brewlar.

If you have proof of misconduct by CCP employees ("pet players"), send it to IA or the media. If you don't, pound sand, and quit spreading rumors lies.

2/10 troll