EVE General Discussion

In relation to the comment that it would "soften" the game if clone fees were removed, I would say that people with that mindset is like a person that decides to carry a 100# box 1,000 feet. The more intelligent alternative would be to use a two-wheeler and save a whole lot of effort and potential strain on the body. But in some misguided attempt to perpetuate the notion that carrying that box the whole way to prove that they are beyond the ken of normal men and women, they inadvertantly make themselves look short-sighted or even foolish. Invariably, anyone who stumbles onto the scene will ask those who are already there the same question.

"Why isn't he using a flatcart or a two-wheeler to move that?"

"Cause he's hard."

TBH it does affect my PVP. It doesn't stop me, but at 85m sp i can't just jump in a t1 cruiser or something cheap and lolworthy and go on a quick "jump till you drop" style roam.

Your account has three toons. Its like having three girl friends, you need to spread the love don't pile on the skills on one toon.

You need to learn the game by taking the long view of strategy and this includes skilling your account(s).

I want to be able to drop skills, nothing fancy, the skill is gone, no recovery. Maybe give it a biomass syle cooldown.

I honestly do not see the point of clone costs climbing higher and higher.

Or high clone costs too for that matter. 10 mil max sounds about right. That avoids the silliness of people not caring about their pods when they have no implants but shouldn't discourage anyone from risking their pod.

So, the common responses:

1) "Train an alt." Great, so those millions of SP in skills can't be applied to combat. THAT makes sense.

2) "It's an isk sink" It's not sinking isk if it's making people risk-averse.

3) "If you can't afford the clone, you can't afford PVP." Rifters are cheap. A T1 frigate roam costs a few million isk...unless you get caught in a bubble and lose your pod, at which point high-SP players can lose tens of millions more, just on the clone.

4) "You just want risk-free PVP": Ships. Modules. Implants. Yeah, it would be risk free if only we had free clones.

There was mention in a thread a couple of days ago that clone BPO's were on Sisi.

I assumed this was a troll and didn't verify it, however the more I think about it I kind of like the idea.

If you PVP a lot you could invest in whatever is necessary to create the clones and make your own. In fact, a mechanic could probably be devised where you could sell these to others. Perhaps a mechanic where if you have a "clone blank" that you have created yourself or purchased you get an extra option in the clone services menu that allows you to use your blank instead of paying the normal (made to order) price.

I'm not a fan of removing any of the risk from PVP, but I do see a certain amount of harm in having a mechanic that deters experienced players from ever flying basic ships (such as T1 frigates or cruisers) simply because your clone is more expensive than the ship by many times over (and I'm not talking about implants, that is a voluntary expense with tangible benefits).

After all, one of the objectives recently seems to be centered around making these ships viable and encourage their widespread use.

So yeah, I'd be in favor of introducing clone creation as a (at least partially) player run industry, and let market pressures set the prices. Biomass and corpses could actually become a viable commodity.

Plus, how awesome would it be to get a killmail of a hauler packed full of clones!

Go play on the test server if you want free PvP. I will never be for reduced clone costs unless someone comes up with an idea for another ISK sink to balance things out.

As others have suggested ITT, I would support a significant reduction in clone costs if insurance were removed or significantly altered.

I would like to see clone upgrade costs slashed significantly and attribute remaps removed. To compensate, make hardwirings a bit better.

Pods should still be valuable targets, but scaling pod cost to SP total is dumb.

Sometimes I think this game is just me and 6 other guys with lots of alts.