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Fitting Request : BS Shield transfer
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Boris Cifer
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-07-17 07:34:02 UTC
Goodday, i spend quite some time in EFT, but could not bring any decent fit for WH C3 2xBS shield spider tank .

Things i need :
1. ~700 omni-tank for at less 3-5 min , ~500 sustained.
2. Shield transporters
3. Decent DPS
4. T1 BS hull preferred.
5. Not a gallente drone-ship.
6. Anomaly : Cataclysmic Variable class 3

All due respect
Cifer
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-17 08:08:56 UTC
Boris Cifer wrote:

3. Decent DPS
4. T1 BS hull preferred.
5. Not a gallente drone-ship.


Well you kinda shot yourself in the foot there dude What?

No Worries
Boris Cifer
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-07-17 08:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Boris Cifer
Well, i made same ship with Armor or local tanking , but shield-spider-tanking is somewhat difficult.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-17 15:51:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Boris Cifer wrote:
Well, i made same ship with Armor or local tanking , but shield-spider-tanking is somewhat difficult.


Yes i saw the fits before you removed them Blink

Unfortunatly the Domi is the spider king... and the only one that even has a hope at the crown... All the other battleships are gimped by fitting, have cap issues or just make a very bad choice.

Edit: unless you go for something a bit shiny

No Worries
strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-07-17 15:57:55 UTC
Really the domi is the correct choice but if you insist on not using it you're only other option is the rokh.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-07-17 16:04:00 UTC
strenif wrote:
you're only other option is the rokh.


You'll lose at least 2 weapons to do it...Straight

No Worries
strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-07-17 16:19:16 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
strenif wrote:
you're only other option is the rokh.


You'll lose at least 2 weapons to do it...Straight


It's the only ship that works. I'm assuming you need 50k range on the guns?

[Rokh, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II

425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
Large Shield Transporter II
Large Shield Transporter II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-07-17 16:23:44 UTC
It seems for 500 sustained tank you only need 1 repper with that kinda tank...

No Worries
strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-07-17 17:11:50 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
It seems for 500 sustained tank you only need 1 repper with that kinda tank...


Ah you're right, I missed the part where the OP said x2. When I hear spider tank I always assume three (incase one gets jammed out). I pvp to much.

[Rokh, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II

Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
Large Shield Transporter II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

With drones that puts you up to 540dps. Not to shabby for pve.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-07-17 19:52:43 UTC
[Tempest, Spider Shield]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I

Works best with 3+ ships but maybe works with 2 in cataclysmic.
Dusenman
Sensible People
Sigma Grindset
#11 - 2012-07-17 20:09:35 UTC
Just a few ideas that might work for what your trying to do.

[Maelstrom, lvl 5's]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

147,803 effective hp
75.9/63.8/72.8/77.4
2x large shield transport = 704 dps tank
594 dps
Cap stable - with out shield transport running

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[Rokh, lvl 5's]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

189,407 effective hp
81.9/72.8/79.6/83
2x large shield transport = 945 dps tank
412 dps
Cap last 15m 16s - with out shield transport running

GM Homonoia: In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total ***.

CCP Tallest_: _And by "we have made it so", I mean Punkturis has made it so.
Boris Cifer
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-07-18 06:39:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Boris Cifer
Good morning .

Yes, dominix is great ship for spider-tanking , but not in WH , Sleepers do swap targets, they do great damage to drones and they don't get killed there, they just get rapped . as i play eve, i found Minmatar ships are best suited for spidertanking , for their free high slots .



[Tempest, Spider Shield 1]
Co-Processor II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith C-Type EM Ward Field
Pith C-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Transporter

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

thats best i could came up ....

Tank in C3 catalysmic :
50 pasive shield tank
180 from shield drones
680 omni-tank for 3min 20s

DPS:
EMP ammo - 716 ;
Barrage - 650;
Hoblins - 100;

Capasitor :
0 transfers - 79%
1 tansfer - 9min
2 tansfers - 3min 20s


Ctype medium shield boosters cost nothing.
Still need alot of improvements on Capacitor.
in C3 there are sites that require like 700 tank for 1-2min (till you kill of 1 BS)



strenif wrote:


It's the only ship that works. I'm assuming you need 50k range on the guns?



Well - no - if you do some Wh sites, they got fixed spawn points . i already got use to it , and and mostly warp-in into location and approach spawn points
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2012-07-18 07:20:14 UTC
Boris Cifer wrote:
Good morning .

Yes, dominix is great ship for spider-tanking , but not in WH , Sleepers do swap targets, they do great damage to drones and they don't get killed there, they just get rapped . as i play eve, i found Minmatar ships are best suited for spidertanking , for their free high slots .



Have you ever actually flown spider Domis in wormholes? Sentries never get even targeted when you got the cap chain and RR running. If you don't have the skills, I understand, but tbh that's the only valid reason not to choose the Domi for RR BS in wormholes.

[Dominix, Dominix-RRcapC3 T2 links]

Damage Control II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5
Warrior II x5

If you don't have links, replace the Drone Dmg Amps with a plate and EANM. Maybe, or live on the edge.

Blows the other ships posted here straight out of water in every aspect.

.
Boris Cifer
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-07-18 07:33:22 UTC
Roime wrote:
Boris Cifer wrote:
Good morning .

Yes, dominix is great ship for spider-tanking , but not in WH , Sleepers do swap targets, they do great damage to drones and they don't get killed there, they just get rapped . as i play eve, i found Minmatar ships are best suited for spidertanking , for their free high slots .



Have you ever actually flown spider Domis in wormholes? Sentries never get even targeted when you got the cap chain and RR running. If you don't have the skills, I understand, but tbh that's the only valid reason not to choose the Domi for RR BS in wormholes.

[Dominix, Dominix-RRcapC3 T2 links]

Damage Control II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5
Warrior II x5

If you don't have links, replace the Drone Dmg Amps with a plate and EANM. Maybe, or live on the edge.

Blows the other ships posted here straight out of water in every aspect.



Never ... ever ...had sentries..... why 3 omnidirectional ? ain't stacking penalty too damn great ?
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#15 - 2012-07-18 07:48:10 UTC
We were using Spider Geddons a few weeks back work rather well...

ah just noticed the 2x, I think we had at least 4 geddons and someone in a drake (There is always one eh? :P )

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2012-07-18 08:12:00 UTC
Boris Cifer wrote:


Never ... ever ...had sentries..... why 3 omnidirectional ? ain't stacking penalty too damn great ?


Three is the standard maximum amount that makes sense to stack modules, before the penalty results in really minimal gain. In this case the third omni pumps Garde II optimal from 45.6km to 52.2km and tracking from 0.0548 to 0.0626. You can also use a web instead of the third omni, which makes killing sleeper frigs a bit faster.

.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#17 - 2012-07-18 08:12:37 UTC
why not a raven ?
Boris Cifer
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-07-18 08:30:05 UTC
Roime wrote:

Three is the standard maximum amount that makes sense to stack modules, before the penalty results in really minimal gain. In this case the third omni pumps Garde II optimal from 45.6km to 52.2km and tracking from 0.0548 to 0.0626. You can also use a web instead of the third omni, which makes killing sleeper frigs a bit faster.


There is only1 problem now .
got nothing with 'Galente' in my skill book. and drones section got enough skill-points to use Warriors t2.

I do fly matar BS and Amar BS like a boss , and somewhat Caldary with crapy missile skills.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2012-07-18 08:55:56 UTC
Yeah, that is a bit of a problem then What?

When I look at those BS fits posted, I see two problems with their damage application- tracking (in case of large rails, it's abysmal and lowers real dps a lot) and lack of range combined with zero mobility. Some sleepers like to stay far, and those ACs just can't reach there... and even at 50km or so their dps is very, very low. Idk, maybe artillery instead?

Drake seems to work well with a bit more people, not sure if it's feasible with just two of them.

.
Cardith
Freelancers' Righteous Escalade
#20 - 2012-07-18 09:39:46 UTC
i once played with eft using raven and/or scorpion navy

both have free high slots and with good skills and implants u can make them work spidertanking using 1 large shield booster/ 1 energy transferrer and 1 shield transporter

try it out and maybe u gonna find a fit u can live with
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